Anita Wrote:
I am constantly amazed at the arrogance of the Marina Da Gama Association’s ExCom.
But, please, don’t take my word for it, please read the Provincial Gazette of 2 October 1987, page 1048 paragraph f.
Anita
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Anita Wrote:
I am constantly amazed at the arrogance of the Marina Da Gama Association’s ExCom.
But, please, don’t take my word for it, please read the Provincial Gazette of 2 October 1987, page 1048 paragraph f.
Anita
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13 users commented in " No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackHow about everybody stop quoting everybody else and make some constructive suggestions? I have read through all this hogwash and I am still looking to find out exactly what Anita, and other participants, wants.
As I’ve said in another post, if the EXCOM has as little power as you suggest, why worry about them. Ignore them and they will go away… like a beggar at a robot. You must clearly have nothing else to do but to sit and wait for somebody to say something so that you can object… Please GET A LIFE!
Start a thread in this forum and begin adding positive suggestions and let’s see if all the complainers can come up with some solutions. As I understand it, we have some brilliant people living in the Marina and can use their expertise to improve our lifestyle, rather than attacking each other all the time. There is enough bickering going on in Government and we surely need no more.
How about investigating the possibility of wind/solar power generation, or purifying water for home use, or establishing a decent neighborhood watch, or supporting the new shopping centre for our convenience, or make an effort to organize street parties to meet our neighbors, or putting up a few security cameras that can be monitored by anybody with an internet connection/cell phone, or start a Marina soccer/rugby/cricket/bowls/tennis/chess… club? For heavens sake, GET POSITIVE FOR A CHANGE!!!!!
Dear Resident
If our Excom would only initiate half your suggestions, we’d all be far happier, less inclined to criticise and better placed to make a meaningful contribution. There are so many issues on which the MDGA could constructively engage its members – for the benefit of everyone.
I’d LOVE for example for the MDGA to let us know what their requirements are for us to install solar geysers – since we can’t just put up any old thing. They could initiate discussions which I’m sure would result in many residents offering their expertise and help not to mention making useful recommendations regarding suppliers etc. Have Excom even thought about this?
Or how about finding out how many members would be interested in an annual exterior house painting job – how long has the Marina been around? The Excom need only provide the platform…. And just think how such an initiative might lighten the inspection load.
An example of where the Excom are really making a difference is the work Toni Joubert is doing with the open spaces – for which I commend her. We certainly don’t expect Excom to paint, garden etc, but this is a wonderful example of how the Excom have initiated the effort and engaged Council to provide materials. Long live Toni…
But this is what I don’t understand about the Excom in general. The association could be utilised constructively in so very many ways, but the Excom would rather spend YEARS pursuing highly controversial (& possibly unlawful) amendments to the MDGA constitution, to the exclusion of virtually all else. Surely the MDGA should focus on its principal object (architectural stds) and then focus on initiating sustainable projects which culminate in happy members and a thriving community spirit? How about inviting residents to participate in a morning market outside the Spar on Saturday mornings – the Spar would benefit and members could socialise in a healthy environment (certainly better than a bottle store!). There are SO MANY positive initiatives that the Excom could kick-start but NOOOO they prefer to remain bogged down in their scary little world that is a Marina wide security plan and to get their grasping hands on every member’s dosh to pay for it.
As for getting a life, speak for yourself
Could’t agree more.
Like I said a few comments (see my comments under Excom Members Respond) ago, let’s arrange a referendum cum survey and get stats on who says what. i.e., lets do something concrete as most of the comments coming in these days are repeats from comments before. What are we all waiting for? There is no point having an online argument month after month, year after year.
I have made a note myself to contact Excom/consult the constitution to see what the rules are on setting up a meeting. Will get back to you.
I can only speak for myself, but I would like to get rid of this association. That, to me, is the most positive step this neighbourhood can take for itself.
Personally, I think it very rude to ignore people at robots. They are human beings, and although I do not support them financially giving handouts, I at least acknowledge their existence. Besides, since when does ignoring beggars at a robot make them go away? Tomorrow, when you stop at that same robot, that same beggar is still there, bothering you again.
If we do not do something about this association now, they will return again and again, like the proverbial bad penny (or beggar at the robot).
JT is clearly not a resident of either San Marina or Uitsig Peninsula. Toni Joubert may be doing a good job in your area, but she clearly has no time for the Marina Da Gama’s “poor relatives”.
Apparently, it was decided by Toni Joubert not to service un-kept verges in San Marina, for fear of residents expecting further service.
Now, for the life of me, Toni, what “further service” do you think we will expect? Quite frankly, I would like to know what this association has ever done for the people of San Marina. In the past, I have always paid my membership fees of this Association, but after that elitist, insulting comment, I will think twice before I will hand over more of my hard-earned cash to this bunch.
I sweep my sidewalk regularly, I keep my garden neat and tidy. I take pride in my home. Yes, there are people around here who do not make the effort I do, but then, your side is not all that much better. It’s just that, with the higher density and narrow streets in our area, it is more noticeable than in the wealthier parts of Marina da Gama.
I just know that Marina da Gama’s “problem child” is once again being marginalised, and the fact that no-one speaks up about it is unforgivable. Mr. Resident, are WE one of the beggars at the robot to be ignored? Or should WE just ignore the insult and join TJ in saying: “Long live Toni…”?
For years I have never heard from the Association except for the odd newsletter once or twice a year and the inevitable account. Maybe, if the Association were to be more postitive towards us, we could be more positive towards them. (So by the way, I do not need to throw a street party to know my neighbours. We all know one another in any event, visit quite often and live happily together. It’s your side that gave the Marina the reputation of being an unfriendly place where no-one even knows his neighbour and people don’t even answer their doorbells.)
It would be so easy for me to ignore this Association. I know it is not legally binding on us to belong to them, and I have the proof thereof. I could take the easy way out and just ignore them, as Resident suggests, and believe me, there have been times when I have been sorely tempted to do just that and wait for them to take me to court for not paying my subs.
Unfortunately though, I am not alone in the Marina. When all this trouble first started, I got many phone-calls from other residents who, quite frankly, were scared out of their wits. People who could not afford levies being imposed on their properties and simply did not have the strength to stand up to ExCom. I promised them that I would help them as much as I could. I will not stop until I have done EVERYTHING in my power to stay true to that promise.
As I have said before, we want a voluntary, friendly association, which has the best interests of everyone at heart. We want a truly community spirited association where willing people can work together for the betterment of the area. We want to be able to resign if the association does not fulfil its mandate, but we will also support it fully, should it do what WE, the residents want.
I would like to ask William and Resident, or anyone else out there a question. Why is it necessary to have an Association where everyone is forced to belong? What is the point?
This Association has bred a lot of discontent and strife throughout the years. No doubt, some good has been done, but a lot of irreparable damage too. It is time to set the Marina free to become a community again. If you keep a dog on a short leash for too long, it turns into a vicious animal, while if you treat it with respect and dignity, it is your friend for life.
Oops, bad example. My apologies. I retract unreservedly the commendation given Toni.
In a desperate attempt to find something positive, I confess I was overhasty… Help – I can’t actually think of anything else that one might feel good about where the association is concerned. The newsletters are quite nice, but other than that I only know the association to be this rather unpleasant (and at times childish) bunch who enjoy waving their mighty sword about…
JT, I guess I see your predicament. Toni probably does do a good job in the wealthier suburbs of the Marina
Hey, SMR, please be careful before jumping to conclusions. It is not the job of the MDGA to do our private verges – that is our job as property owners. The association can merely be kind and facilitate community initiatives that assist us in beautifying the neighbourhood. Have you asked Toni if she could arrange some stones for you so that you and your neighbours could attend to your verges in keeping with the style she’s started in the Township area? Also, if she’s used association funds for private verges elsewhere in the Township, then you should be entitled to the equivalent resources for your open spaces and verges. I don’t know myself if she does use association monies. If Toni has done any private verges for friends and Excom members, then please let us know and publish it here for all to see. That would be a blight on her record as there are clearly many open public spaces needing attention. Also, don’t assume that everyone staying in a ‘wealthy’ area is wealthy. I bought my townhouse in the old part just before prices went through the roof and all my hard earned money goes towards paying it off. It might make me fortunate, but certainly not wealthy.
I have jumped to no conclusions whatsoever. I just do not see why San Marina should be singled out. As I said, I have maintained my own verges for years and do not expect the Association to do so, but the inference was that we, here in San Marina, would “expect further services”.
The bottom line is that you do live in the wealthier parts of Marina da Gama. Whether that makes you wealthier or not, is of no concern to me. I am convinced that many people driving in 4X4′s and BMW’s are far poorer than I will ever be, despite their show of wealth, but the point is that San Marina is seen as the “poor relative” ie. there to live off the handouts and leach on the “wealthy relatives”. I resent that. I don’t ask them for anything, except to be treated as an equal.
After reading all the comments, there was alot of thoughts going through my mind.Where are heading to? We all have positive energies and can make a difference. Let us agree that we disagree on various issues whether we legitimate or not. May I propose that we set a date to get together, we all want a better marina da Gama, yes there are challenges.Can Anita and the chairperson of MDGA and the Chair of San Marina convene this event and work towards an integrated community ( common – unity)
we can achieve this unity – Let us address concerns where it matter the most,show neighbourly love and make the difference.
Llewellyn
The one major problem is that we ARE at loggerheads about the LEGITIMACY of the association. The one side says “We have authority over you” and the other says “No you don’t. We do not accept your authority”.
The Association refuses to enter into a proper public participation process. They won’t even respond to people on this site. Remember the Chairman’s quote: “Talk of a consultation process is misplaced. There is no public to consult”?
Council has offered their help in a public participation process. The Independent Electoral Commission can even be involved, (from what I am told, apparently free of charge), should we have a referendum.
Meetings just don’t seem to work. People get annoyed and walk out, people tell one another to shut up and sit down. Let’s have a referendum, conducted in the privacy of our own homes, executed by an independent body, with questions both sides agreed upon, and let the majority decision count.
Neighbourly love be damned. If my neighbour comes into my home and tells me how to conduct my life, I will tell him to get lost.
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