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	<title>Comments on: Liquor Licence &#8211; Eastlake Village</title>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fyi, I have just spoken to Inspector Donaldson, Liquor Officer at SAPS Muizenburg and she very kindly said that I may quote her:

I refer to the MDGA&#039;s advice on the back page of the 2007 AGM Minutes:
 &quot;Objections to the above liquor licence application must be lodged with SAPS Muizenburg.  Please note that a valid reason must be given otherwise the Liquor Board does not entertain the objection&quot;

Inspector Donaldson has confirmed the following:
1. she has no knowledge of this liquor licence application
2. when she does receive such an application, she notifies the Community Policing Forum of which the MDGA is a member and the MDGA is then obliged to notify the residents
3. objections must not be lodged with SAPS Muizenburg, but should be addressed and directed to the Magistrate of Simonstown with a copy sent to the DPO
4. the Magistrate will then consider the objections, not the Liquor Board.

Has anyone else received similar advice?  Clearly it&#039;s easy to take a wrong turn when the MDGA give the incorrect information to their residents.  Or perhaps they want objections to land up in the dustbin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fyi, I have just spoken to Inspector Donaldson, Liquor Officer at SAPS Muizenburg and she very kindly said that I may quote her:</p>
<p>I refer to the MDGA&#8217;s advice on the back page of the 2007 AGM Minutes:<br />
 &#8220;Objections to the above liquor licence application must be lodged with SAPS Muizenburg.  Please note that a valid reason must be given otherwise the Liquor Board does not entertain the objection&#8221;</p>
<p>Inspector Donaldson has confirmed the following:<br />
1. she has no knowledge of this liquor licence application<br />
2. when she does receive such an application, she notifies the Community Policing Forum of which the MDGA is a member and the MDGA is then obliged to notify the residents<br />
3. objections must not be lodged with SAPS Muizenburg, but should be addressed and directed to the Magistrate of Simonstown with a copy sent to the DPO<br />
4. the Magistrate will then consider the objections, not the Liquor Board.</p>
<p>Has anyone else received similar advice?  Clearly it&#8217;s easy to take a wrong turn when the MDGA give the incorrect information to their residents.  Or perhaps they want objections to land up in the dustbin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the shopping centre itself, I fully support the centre and its tenants.  But I do believe that the shopping centre management should look after its own affairs.  The residents all around Cavendish Square aren&#039;t expected to subsidise the mall&#039;s security costs.  We are now told that the Marina shopping centre is a member of the Independent Security Schemes - and we know where the ISS is headed as the &#039;bottom up&#039; approach to the Marina Wide Security Scheme all neatly managed by Excom through Richard Gie &amp; co.  I only hope that anyone joining an ISS thinks very carefully before signing a debit order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the shopping centre itself, I fully support the centre and its tenants.  But I do believe that the shopping centre management should look after its own affairs.  The residents all around Cavendish Square aren&#8217;t expected to subsidise the mall&#8217;s security costs.  We are now told that the Marina shopping centre is a member of the Independent Security Schemes &#8211; and we know where the ISS is headed as the &#8216;bottom up&#8217; approach to the Marina Wide Security Scheme all neatly managed by Excom through Richard Gie &amp; co.  I only hope that anyone joining an ISS thinks very carefully before signing a debit order.</p>
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		<title>By: resident</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the part where JT points out that the security stationed at the Spar also has to patrol an entire road, away from the centre. So exactly how much of his time will he be protecting the shoppers at the centre, and indeed the centre itself? And should it not be the owners of the shopping centre who is charging HUGE rates for their property rentals, and not the tenants like the Spar, who should be protecting the visitors to the centre?

This is definitely a step backwards. In the letter it is stated that “the guard is currently under utilized”. What do they mean? It is like saying the stop sign is under utilized… He should act as a deterrent with his presence and not run around scaring small children and older ladies. Instead of getting another guard, we want to stretch the duties of one guard, and share the costs... a cop-out if you ask me! Maybe we do need the bottle store; at least we&#039;ll get another guard? 

I see too much negativity here towards the centre. Would everyone prefer the place to be knocked down in favor of low-cost housing instead? Just wondering where this all this bitching about the centre is going…going… gone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the part where JT points out that the security stationed at the Spar also has to patrol an entire road, away from the centre. So exactly how much of his time will he be protecting the shoppers at the centre, and indeed the centre itself? And should it not be the owners of the shopping centre who is charging HUGE rates for their property rentals, and not the tenants like the Spar, who should be protecting the visitors to the centre?</p>
<p>This is definitely a step backwards. In the letter it is stated that “the guard is currently under utilized”. What do they mean? It is like saying the stop sign is under utilized… He should act as a deterrent with his presence and not run around scaring small children and older ladies. Instead of getting another guard, we want to stretch the duties of one guard, and share the costs&#8230; a cop-out if you ask me! Maybe we do need the bottle store; at least we&#8217;ll get another guard? </p>
<p>I see too much negativity here towards the centre. Would everyone prefer the place to be knocked down in favor of low-cost housing instead? Just wondering where this all this bitching about the centre is going…going… gone!</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On 20 February, the MDGA issued an e-mail notice to those members on its e-mail list (half the membership if you’re lucky) advising of Spar’s plan to open a bottle store and how the MDGA will not act on behalf of its members in either supporting or opposing the liquor license application.  Although this same notice states that:

“The owner of the Spar, and a regional representative of the chain, held discussions with Excom, prior to making the application, in order that our members should be aware of their plans”
“(Spar) wish to achieve the acceptance of the community for the venture”
“The Spar representatives have prepared a brochure, setting out their plans. A copy is held in the Marina office, for any member who wishes to read it”

the MDGA for some reason see no obligation on their part to fully inform all their members and instead (for the first time in its history I believe) opted to notify members not by notice at their respective registered domicilia but rather by way of “an information notice…distributed to members by E-mail, informing them of the facts” 

In this same e-mail notice, there is stated this fact: 
“A security guard will be stationed at the entrance”
further supported by “Spar, as a responsible organisation, with a reputation to protect….”

Now, barely two weeks after the above e-mail notice was issued, the residents of Eastlake Drive and Fisherman Quay (which for those who don’t know are situated in the immediate vicinity of the Eastlake/Spar shopping centre) received a written appeal from Richard Gie – donning his ‘Independent Security Committee’ hat – to join the fight against crime.  A page of scare tactics focusing on the crime wave heading towards the Cape alludes to the possibility that Spar will subsidise the security guarding costs for Eastlake Drive.  But lo and behold, if you read further it is not Spar who will subsidise the residents, but the members who will be subsidizing Spar!  Spar it transpires no longer wish to pay for the services of a full-time security guard and Mr Gie et al have very kindly offered to enlist the support of Eastlake Drive residents to help finance this cost.  Who is going to provide the security guard for the bottle store?  Or is it the same security guard that the residents will be co-financing?  Does this mean that the residents are going to be subsidizing the security for the entire shopping centre???? 

Now although Mr Gie (donning his MDGA Security Committee cap) is very much aware of the pending llquor license application cum bottle store (donning his Independent Security Committee hat) he doesn’t so much as mention this teeny weeny little matter of a neighbourhood bottle store in his appeal to the Eastlake Drive residents.  But hey let’s be fair, he has offered his and Elaine’s assistance (that would be Elaine Meyer of MDGA Excom fame) to these poor helpless residents to set up a committee to facilitate this wonderful security initiative – and dare I say to ensure that it isn’t ignored.  Mr Gie (wearing his Cannon Island Security Association regalia) recently appealed to members of that association to ‘reason’ with their neighbours to come on board so that they can achieve the 90% debit orders required for the Marina-wide security scheme.  Presumably there will soon be a whole lot of ‘reasoning’ with neighbours going on in Eastlake Drive, too….   

I sincerely hope that the residents who received these notices in their letter boxes treat this ‘security initiative’ with the contempt it deserves.  In any event, any security guard watching all of Eastlake Drive and Fisherman Quay as well as a Spar and bottle store must have x-ray vision and eyes in the back of his head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On 20 February, the MDGA issued an e-mail notice to those members on its e-mail list (half the membership if you’re lucky) advising of Spar’s plan to open a bottle store and how the MDGA will not act on behalf of its members in either supporting or opposing the liquor license application.  Although this same notice states that:</p>
<p>“The owner of the Spar, and a regional representative of the chain, held discussions with Excom, prior to making the application, in order that our members should be aware of their plans”<br />
“(Spar) wish to achieve the acceptance of the community for the venture”<br />
“The Spar representatives have prepared a brochure, setting out their plans. A copy is held in the Marina office, for any member who wishes to read it”</p>
<p>the MDGA for some reason see no obligation on their part to fully inform all their members and instead (for the first time in its history I believe) opted to notify members not by notice at their respective registered domicilia but rather by way of “an information notice…distributed to members by E-mail, informing them of the facts” </p>
<p>In this same e-mail notice, there is stated this fact:<br />
“A security guard will be stationed at the entrance”<br />
further supported by “Spar, as a responsible organisation, with a reputation to protect….”</p>
<p>Now, barely two weeks after the above e-mail notice was issued, the residents of Eastlake Drive and Fisherman Quay (which for those who don’t know are situated in the immediate vicinity of the Eastlake/Spar shopping centre) received a written appeal from Richard Gie – donning his ‘Independent Security Committee’ hat – to join the fight against crime.  A page of scare tactics focusing on the crime wave heading towards the Cape alludes to the possibility that Spar will subsidise the security guarding costs for Eastlake Drive.  But lo and behold, if you read further it is not Spar who will subsidise the residents, but the members who will be subsidizing Spar!  Spar it transpires no longer wish to pay for the services of a full-time security guard and Mr Gie et al have very kindly offered to enlist the support of Eastlake Drive residents to help finance this cost.  Who is going to provide the security guard for the bottle store?  Or is it the same security guard that the residents will be co-financing?  Does this mean that the residents are going to be subsidizing the security for the entire shopping centre???? </p>
<p>Now although Mr Gie (donning his MDGA Security Committee cap) is very much aware of the pending llquor license application cum bottle store (donning his Independent Security Committee hat) he doesn’t so much as mention this teeny weeny little matter of a neighbourhood bottle store in his appeal to the Eastlake Drive residents.  But hey let’s be fair, he has offered his and Elaine’s assistance (that would be Elaine Meyer of MDGA Excom fame) to these poor helpless residents to set up a committee to facilitate this wonderful security initiative – and dare I say to ensure that it isn’t ignored.  Mr Gie (wearing his Cannon Island Security Association regalia) recently appealed to members of that association to ‘reason’ with their neighbours to come on board so that they can achieve the 90% debit orders required for the Marina-wide security scheme.  Presumably there will soon be a whole lot of ‘reasoning’ with neighbours going on in Eastlake Drive, too….   </p>
<p>I sincerely hope that the residents who received these notices in their letter boxes treat this ‘security initiative’ with the contempt it deserves.  In any event, any security guard watching all of Eastlake Drive and Fisherman Quay as well as a Spar and bottle store must have x-ray vision and eyes in the back of his head.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bottle-store in a residential area is not a good idea.  Thanks for the information, Anita.

JP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bottle-store in a residential area is not a good idea.  Thanks for the information, Anita.</p>
<p>JP</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am disgusted that the Association will leave such an important thing as a liquor licence application to the residents without them actually giving us proper information.  Do they care about our area at all? They embarrassed us by supporting the very controversial Loitering Act.  They object to buildings at Sunrise Circle.  (What on earth these things have to do with us at all is beyond me.) They put in their 2c worth about Cape Town&#039;s boom-gate policy (please note, we were not even consulted about these things at all).  

Now that something is actually happening on our very own doorstep, they are shtum!!

What gives?  Who greased the palm of whom here? Or does the Chairman just like the idea of having his daily fix on his doorstep?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disgusted that the Association will leave such an important thing as a liquor licence application to the residents without them actually giving us proper information.  Do they care about our area at all? They embarrassed us by supporting the very controversial Loitering Act.  They object to buildings at Sunrise Circle.  (What on earth these things have to do with us at all is beyond me.) They put in their 2c worth about Cape Town&#8217;s boom-gate policy (please note, we were not even consulted about these things at all).  </p>
<p>Now that something is actually happening on our very own doorstep, they are shtum!!</p>
<p>What gives?  Who greased the palm of whom here? Or does the Chairman just like the idea of having his daily fix on his doorstep?</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And these are the same guys who expect you to entrust your money and safety to them without question.  I&#039;d like to know when exactly the owners of Spar first pulled this bunny out of the hat and how long our association has been sitting on this knowledge.  Were they in any way complicit in the &#039;move in first and then quietly slip in the bottle store&#039; tactic? Excom, you have some explaining to do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And these are the same guys who expect you to entrust your money and safety to them without question.  I&#8217;d like to know when exactly the owners of Spar first pulled this bunny out of the hat and how long our association has been sitting on this knowledge.  Were they in any way complicit in the &#8216;move in first and then quietly slip in the bottle store&#8217; tactic? Excom, you have some explaining to do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
		<link>http://marinasecurity.mylifeinsa.com/2008/02/29/liquor-licence-eastlake-village/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your research on liquor licence and association&#039;s   un-willingness to partake in any referendum would suggest the association has entered into some pact with spar. Would they have the same approach should I decide to apply for a &quot;shebeen&quot; type licence in Park Island?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your research on liquor licence and association&#8217;s   un-willingness to partake in any referendum would suggest the association has entered into some pact with spar. Would they have the same approach should I decide to apply for a &#8220;shebeen&#8221; type licence in Park Island?</p>
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