There was this girl who was bored at night. She wanted to play with her companions but their battyries where flat. Can not phone a friend as it is to late - 12pm. So what now. Go see if any of my virtaul friends are awake. Sadly none where. Due to frustration she wrote an article to that place call www

If she was clever enough like I am she would have made sure that the companions where using rechargable batteries and where on charge at all times. At least they would have hummmmm away during the night and listened to her song.

So Cathye and Peter now you know the full story.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

Anita requested me to back off a bit so I will be doing that for a while. Maybe this went a bit to far and a true leader knows when to walk away.

The bloggers has won for now.

Leon, I, like some of the others on this site, am absolutely terrified of my own safety and therefore I feel I cannot attend your meetings. I would not feel safe.

I take your threat very seriously and will take the matter further.

Love
Cathy
(Also known as the Lamb Chop)

Warren

Cathy, while you are going about with your petition, why not draw one up to present to the City of Cape Town objecting to paying for rates, water, electricity etc. Or even better, petition Mr Trevor Manuel objecting to the payment of income tax. Now there’s a good idea!

Anita already asked that personal threats to be stopped as it is not funny.

It can become real.

Look at at Tony who shot his family due to outside pressure.

To put this now in a nutshell is as follows.

According to what I see here is that the MDGA is legal but the constitution is ilegal. The choice is now do you scrap the constition and put a new one in place as you can not have a Association without a constitution.

The old one has power to dictate. It clearly says that your house must be white;your verges to be neatened and your wall to be 2.1m in height and be visible pleasant to the eye. No scrap to be in front of your house like broken rusted trailers and cars.If any of these rules are broken you get a letter of demand. You might land up in court. You are also forced to be a member at R170 a year.

The new one which be in place will be voluntary. Will have no power over you. You can paint your house any colour - in my case I like purple. Do not need aproval from the commitee to put up my double garage made of zink plate as council do approve it - harsh financial times these days. My grass can grow to the lengh I want and my vehicle that was written off and rusting away can park in fron of my house. You will save a whole R170 a year and the area will then really become a special area. Can you imagine the rainbow colour houses we will have instead of that bright white.

I think we should vote on the new constitution. It sounds very democratic and open minded. I do not say this in a sarcastic manner because I feel strongly to the freedom of choice. Why should I be dictated by a few who has no real interest in my needs. That little clause I have will also have no meaning to me.

If this what the people want then it should be done and put in place. The members should have the right to freedom of choice.

If admin will allow it I would like to have a new forum opened up on this website. It will display both sides of the story and open it up for discussion.

Leave the tyrant alone and let him do his function or have him voted out.

Both is quite easy. All you need to vote him out is a paid up member who is brave enough to put in a vote of no confidance. Two conditions apply here. One is to have your facts in order and the next be prepared to take over from him. No fence sitters allowed though.

Anybody prepared to take that risk???

Glad to see a new forum was opened up.

It was my intention that when I use any content it will be credited to those who created it.

Have you thought about trying to understand the frustration of some of us WHO do not want to belong to the recreational club. You in your capacity as chairman have not tried to be understanding and fair, discussed the situation, in a friendly manner.

You are very aggressive and have not tried to help in any way, if I was in your shoes as chair person I would try to help as best as I could to solve this PROBLEM, in this small community of ours.

Aggression and threats never work, as you get the hackles up of everyone else concerned and then there will never be any understanding.

This is a small community of Marina da Gama know as San Marina and have nothing to do with the other side of the boundry and maybe as a community we could solve this problem like adults and stop acting like children who can’t get their way and throw tantrums.

For those who would like to belong to the recreational club be my guest, but please stop forcing the situation on to others who do not want that, some of us have our own swimming pools and braai facilities, and as for the tennis court here is a suggestion why not charge a booking fee for the court and then those who wish to use them can do so.

Here a thought, sports clubs or recreational clubs etc do not force you to become a member you have freedom of choice and not verbally attacked and forced to become a member, and as for attaching furniture and threatening people is no way to act, Leon do you have small peoples syndrome, because you cannot get your way you get arrogant and abusive…… NOT GOOD for your reputation which has gone down the tubes by 150% in some of our eyes.

We have our own recreation for where we stay and we pay for that, NOW WHY would we want to pay for something else aswell. As for your comment on knowing about the club in the deed, there are some people that were not informed and were phoned by the club and told that if they did not belong then their transfere would not go through, that to me is blackmail and down right rude. Some people never knew about the club and just got accounts, no-one came to visit the new owners and explain the situation and introduce themselves, so i ask you “why do you think you are getting this reaction from some people” in the small community who just want to have peace and do what they want to do, not what OTHERS want them to do.

And as for Theresa and her rude comments about her mother what example are you setting for your children….. I WONDER, you can be part of the club if you so wish but leave some of us alone.

I hope in your brains you can understand, as I think a 4 yr old would understand and act better about the situation than you lot are, you are like a bunch of spoilt children, if you do not get your way then bully everyone, that does not work, as bullies get put on the back burner and no-one wants to be associated with bullies, not how things work.

So try to be a bit more polite and accomodating to the situation and see if there is a way around this by Helping some of us in this small community and not bullying and harrasing those of us who would like to get on with our lives and not be part of this petty situation.

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Asked and answered. “and can be taken off if and when I sell my house and a new title deed has to be issued to the new owner.”

“Did the SAHRC have authority to declare the Association as illegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.”

The Association is not illegal. It is just not the association referred to in our title deeds and its constitution was not legally enacted. The SAHRC have the authority to make findings on the constitutionality of the Association and its constitution and to make recommendations. You are quite correct, it should be enough to have that little nonsense clause removed. The wheels of justice turn slowly. At this stage, you are not entitled to any proof.

“Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.”

Asked and answered. Many, many, many times already. Besides, ExCom must produce the proof that the Association is legal. You are the ones making demands on us. As per the above, the Association is not illegal, but has no legal constitution. It also does not have the right to demand membership from us. I can however assure you that some of the actions of its ExCom members are very dicey indeed. For instance, it is illegal to incite members or threaten people with violence.

“Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???”

Asked and answered. You cannot “vote out” something which was unlawfully “voted in”. You cannot legally change a constitution which has not been legally enacted to start with. Voting on the matter would be a waste of effort and time.
“These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???”
I have already gone to considerable effort to answer your questions.
“Do you have your facts in order?”
Yes.

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Have fun.

Think that when I publish this site in my next newsletter how the response will then be.

Just a shame some of you run under aliases.

Hope you guys won’t mind me using the cartoon. I want to find out if I am really a bully and a tyrant. Maybe request a referendum.

Ask the members to comment on this site.

Let see

Again I ask:

If removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself.

Did the SAHRC have autority to declare the Association as ilegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.

Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.

Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???

These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???

Do you have your facts in order?

With regard to the name change. I do not know when it was done but will find out. Just like the MDGA the SMRC have a right to change its name. Same rules still apply as per the deeds office. I queried the name change of the MDGA by them.

I agree, until such time as the club is sold, or dissolved or whatever, the owners of the club are responsible for paying levies. Rates and taxes have to be paid, as does electricity, etc, and the owners have no choice but to pay. If, however, the majority of the owners want to get rid of the club, they should put pen to paper and have it done. Once transfer takes place, they are no longer responsible. Simple. I do know of some special circumstances for some members, but in the majority of cases, the homeowners are responsible for the levies.
Still, the function of a chairman is not to be a bully or a debt collector and there is no reason to become personal or threatening. If the people don’t pay, let the law take its course. The courts are better equipped to handle these matters, and they do not tell debtors that they are spineless idiots blah, blah, blah. Then Leon can get on with running the club in a professional manner. Who knows, maybe if the club was run in a friendly way, more people will want to use it and pay their levies willingly without having to be sued.

Now on a serious note. SMRC was attacked by false information and it was defended with the truth. If you do not think so then ask away anything. I will try to answer in any way I can. If not then I will try finding out. What I know is what all owners know about SMRC.

If this blog was generated to keep the average Joe informed about the activities of the Marina and also to have the oppurtunity to be little individuals who is trying their best to accomodate most then why is it so difficult to get the correct info with regard to statements that is easily thrown around here on this blog.

I am being asked to supply info which everyone knows I can not give due to the fact that I do not know what you really want nor the fact that the Association is older than what I am. How can I tell you what happened 35 years ago.

If you are so sure of your facts why are you still battling to disassociate yourself from them - the Pietie crowd. The answer is simple. The Association is legal and there is nothing you or me can do about it. If we could why has it not done yet.

All what was achieved so far is that you have them taken to the SAHRC. Now what. Did the SAHRC have autority to declare the Association as ilegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.

Then you should be free of maybe me. I might consider the Pietie post. Will see how it goes at the AGM. You never know. It is also so much fun on this blog. All these intelegtial questions and ………(still waiting on the answers)

Questions stays unanswered. Why???

With regard to my anger management. I am working on it. I started yesterday. A whole day without outburst. A great achievement for me.

Tony probably said the same thing just before he shot and killed his neighbour. Now he is in Valkenberg and 2 children are without a mother. Maybe you should consider going for anger management classes?

Are you going to look for those documents for us? Pietie could not find it, but maybe you will have more luck.

The office says hi too.

Anita: If the the Association is referred to you in your title deed why have not removed it since according to you it is only a just a nonsense clause.

Then you will need to spend so much time on blogs like this one.

You will be FREE from all specially that Pietie(chairman) of the MDGA.

Lastly I do not threaten people. I just loose my temper now and then specially when people talk because talking is nice. Then I take my frustration out on blogs like these ones.

I am actaully a calm and quite person.