No mention is made of making members non members.

A lot of talk about NRC contract and duties.

Hey my wife was co opted onto the commitee. Must be a conspiracy.

Next meeting was 1 June 2005. No meeting was held in May 2005 as the chairman was ill during that time.

Schedule of handover members was presented and approved. Fairlake members was part of it.

Hey – they knew about their membership in 2005 already and still witheld funds and now I am in 2008 the tyrant who is trying to collect those same funds that they never knew about.

Like I said before it is nice to thumbsuck things when you are trying to lie your way out

Do you have the minutes for the AGM that happened on April 2005.

I would like to see where it was stated that they where made non members. Maybe update my records that I inherited.

The blog was started without my knowledge and I happened to come across it on the internet a few hours later when I was doing an internet search on Marina da Gama. As far as I know the blog’s purpose is to be a forum for the people of Marina da Gama. San Marina is part of Marina da Gama and the club is part of San Marina, therefore quite an appropriate discussion point.

I did not go to the Marina da Gama Association’s AGM because I do not consider myself to be a member.

I have personally seen an extensive list of signatures collected by Cathy and others, but cannot verify the exact number of signatures collected. She certainly does have a pretty significant support-base though.

There is one issue you could clarify for us though. The matter of the April 2005 AGM where a whole list of people were declared non-members of the club. How did it come about that they are now all of a sudden members again?

Can you pehaps tell me why so many people gets be littled on this blog. Don’t get your way then write anything here – true ; semi true ; thumb suck

Excamples:

Do you smell that! – Apparently the yellow bellyached spineless standards committee of which Jan Da Missing partakes in have carried out comprehensive standards infringement details

San Marina residents take a stand – San Marina Recreational Club has been made probably the most unpopular club in the world due to the bullying dictator of a chairman.

Sheriff’s Knock – This was all thanks to Leon Lee. Did this spineless weasel ever think a little further than his arrogant self

The above does not follow your believe or does it?

On the matter of Cathy having the right to belong as per your Bill of Rights no. 18 states that everyone has the freedom of association then why has she not seeked legal advise as I have encouraged her to do on numorous occasions and become a non member.

If she feels so strongly about it why is she paying her subs. She is charged nogal half what the average member is paying – discount is given to older folk. As per your Bill of Rights no. 18 she has a choice of not paying – not so.

These signatures that she has collected has anyone seen it?

When will it be completed as this can be dragged out for years. Will we be seeing something before our next AGM or will it be said that the petition is still ongoing. This petition started in Feb 2008 and we now in Nov 2008.

What will happen with the petition as this is only signatures on a piece of paper. Will someone be taking this to court soon as I have heard through the grape vine it might happen soon. Have not received anything yet though.

Can I use the Human Right number 17 to cancel the restraining order which I am still waiting for – hopefully it was not posted as the Post Office has a habit of losing post to move around the neighbourhood as I have a right to movement with no intimidation and threats – not so.

On a last note what has San Marina Recreational Club got to do with this blog. Was this not set up to address the securtity concept which is still in play because people like yourself never came to the AGM to vote it off.

Yes it is still part of the constitution.

All very true, if:

1)you were notified of your enforced membership BEFORE you bought your property;

2)your membership has not been revoked at a legally convened AGM by all members present at the meeting;

3)your title deed stipulates you have to belong to the club (although this may not be as clear-cut as it seems).

In Cathy’s case, she was not informed of any enforced membership of any club. Cathy’s title deed only makes mention of some vague “schedule of conditions” in some or other Section. These were not made available to her before transfer. Basically, she was conned into belonging to a social club. The Bill of Rights no. 18 states that everyone has the freedom of association, and seeing that this is actually a social club, I think that she is well within her rights to belong or not to belong as she pleases.

I think that this was the thinking when the AGM of April 2005 when members of the club decided that she no longer had to be a member. Of course, the fact that membership of the club is not expressly referred to in her title deed would also have played a major role in this decision.

Cathy was not billed for any membership fees since 2005, but early this year, she all of a sudden received an account again. How can the club unilaterally decide to re-instate her membership? Her enforced membership was revoked by mutual consent and she never wanted to be a member again. Since when can one enforce a contract which is only agreed to by one of the parties thereto?

The property of the club also does not “belong” to her, as it seems to do in Leon’s case. Leon’s title deed actually stipulates that he is an owner. So here you have a situation where some members are owners, and some are not.

It must be remembered that this is a social club. The club is a legal entity in its own right. It even owns property. I seriously doubt whether membership can be enforced, title deed condition or not, but this would be for the courts to decide. Remember, the Club came into being before our new National Constitution with its liberating “Bill of Rights”.

Personally, I believe that Leon’s title deed stating that he is an owner is a mistake on someone’s part, but again, this is a point for the courts or the Deeds Office to decide. Be it as it may, it is still very confusing and rather prejudicial if it were true.

The rules of the club do provide for the club to be dissolved. Cathy and others are fully within their rights to canvass the area in order to gain support for this move and must be allowed to do so without threats and intimidation. (Human Right number 17: Everyone has the right to Assembly, demonstration, picket and petition.)

No doubt, some people have to belong to the club and pay their fees. You certainly seem to fit that bill and I am glad you have found a way to make it work for you. In other cases, the lines are a bit more hazy.

I salute Cathy for trying to do what she feels is right. It is hard work, but she does seem to have a lot of support, considering the number of people who have already signed her petition.

I am sure that Leon tries his very best to be a good chairman. He should however learn to mind his manners. His personal attacks and threats are at the very least distasteful and I would even venture to say, in some cases, serously unlawful. I condemn it with every fibre in my body and in this regard I can only say: “Fight the cause, not the person”.

It opened every weekend so that you do not need to go all the way around.

In fact, I eventually decided that since I was paying subs, I may as well use the facilities – and I’m now quite enjoying my tennis. My major complaint is that the new walls are doing too good a job of keeping my tennis balls on the court, so my weight loss efforts are being hampered by not having to run around the clubhouse every five minutes like I used to when the balls rolled under the broken fence!

What nobody on this website has ever acknowledged is that no amount of begging, pleading or friendly reminders have ever proven successful in getting people to pay what they know they should (but choose not to). Whilst I don’t necessarily condone the threatening tone he takes at times, the way Leon Lee is managing the collection of subs (ie via threat of legal action) is the only way these collections can, and should, be managed.

Think about it. You might not like the fact that you have to drive 60kmh on our city roads. You probably never had a say in deciding that this was the appropriate speed. And you may be canvassing people to sign a petition to local government to change the speed limit or do away with it altogether. But none of these things change the fact that you still have to drive 60kmh or face the legal consequences.

And calling the traffic cops who catch you, or the lawyer who prosecutes you, Robert Mugabe is certainly not going to do you any favours.

The bottom line? Pay your subs. If you don’t want to, move somewhere else. Then Leon won’t have to keep on pestering you – and you (and he) will undoubtedly be a whole lot happier. Oh, and try a bit of tennis. The endorphins will make you feel a lot better.

Oh, one last thought. Given the apparent crisis that the payment of the R50 subs is causing in the lives of so many residents, I would urge everyone to drop the idea of the San Marina security plan. It’s highly likely that in a few months’ time this scheme will suffer a similar mutiny as people suddenly realise that would prefer to spend the R80 per month on pizza. And the poor individuals who initiated the scheme will be left footing the bill.

Now San Marina is another matter. I will take responsibility for that. Since there is nothing to discuss on security matters as this website was designed to do I will now say that if you really want to know more then I suggest that you do it via the proper way. This being a paid up member of SMRC and requesting info dictated via our constitution also freely availible via http://www.sanmarina.co.za.

Now on a more positive matter. I hereby invite all to come down to the Fair that will be happening on the 6 Dec 2008. It will start at 10 am to 5 pm. You then can see if the club is as awfull as a few of you said it is.

There will be activities for the kids. I will also be there making a lamp potjie – R10 a plate. Hopefully I will not controvene my restraining order on that day.

So please come down and enjoy the day with your fellow Marina residents.

Could you please tell us who the new Chairman is? May we assume that it is Mr. Craske, seeing that half the committee actually lives in his street?