No mention is made of making members non members.

A lot of talk about NRC contract and duties.

Hey my wife was co opted onto the commitee. Must be a conspiracy.

Next meeting was 1 June 2005. No meeting was held in May 2005 as the chairman was ill during that time.

Schedule of handover members was presented and approved. Fairlake members was part of it.

Hey - they knew about their membership in 2005 already and still witheld funds and now I am in 2008 the tyrant who is trying to collect those same funds that they never knew about.

Like I said before it is nice to thumbsuck things when you are trying to lie your way out

Do you have the minutes for the AGM that happened on April 2005.

I would like to see where it was stated that they where made non members. Maybe update my records that I inherited.

The blog was started without my knowledge and I happened to come across it on the internet a few hours later when I was doing an internet search on Marina da Gama. As far as I know the blog’s purpose is to be a forum for the people of Marina da Gama. San Marina is part of Marina da Gama and the club is part of San Marina, therefore quite an appropriate discussion point.

I did not go to the Marina da Gama Association’s AGM because I do not consider myself to be a member.

I have personally seen an extensive list of signatures collected by Cathy and others, but cannot verify the exact number of signatures collected. She certainly does have a pretty significant support-base though.

There is one issue you could clarify for us though. The matter of the April 2005 AGM where a whole list of people were declared non-members of the club. How did it come about that they are now all of a sudden members again?

Can you pehaps tell me why so many people gets be littled on this blog. Don’t get your way then write anything here - true ; semi true ; thumb suck

Excamples:

Do you smell that! - Apparently the yellow bellyached spineless standards committee of which Jan Da Missing partakes in have carried out comprehensive standards infringement details

San Marina residents take a stand - San Marina Recreational Club has been made probably the most unpopular club in the world due to the bullying dictator of a chairman.

Sheriff’s Knock - This was all thanks to Leon Lee. Did this spineless weasel ever think a little further than his arrogant self

The above does not follow your believe or does it?

On the matter of Cathy having the right to belong as per your Bill of Rights no. 18 states that everyone has the freedom of association then why has she not seeked legal advise as I have encouraged her to do on numorous occasions and become a non member.

If she feels so strongly about it why is she paying her subs. She is charged nogal half what the average member is paying - discount is given to older folk. As per your Bill of Rights no. 18 she has a choice of not paying - not so.

These signatures that she has collected has anyone seen it?

When will it be completed as this can be dragged out for years. Will we be seeing something before our next AGM or will it be said that the petition is still ongoing. This petition started in Feb 2008 and we now in Nov 2008.

What will happen with the petition as this is only signatures on a piece of paper. Will someone be taking this to court soon as I have heard through the grape vine it might happen soon. Have not received anything yet though.

Can I use the Human Right number 17 to cancel the restraining order which I am still waiting for - hopefully it was not posted as the Post Office has a habit of losing post to move around the neighbourhood as I have a right to movement with no intimidation and threats - not so.

On a last note what has San Marina Recreational Club got to do with this blog. Was this not set up to address the securtity concept which is still in play because people like yourself never came to the AGM to vote it off.

Yes it is still part of the constitution.

All very true, if:

1)you were notified of your enforced membership BEFORE you bought your property;

2)your membership has not been revoked at a legally convened AGM by all members present at the meeting;

3)your title deed stipulates you have to belong to the club (although this may not be as clear-cut as it seems).

In Cathy’s case, she was not informed of any enforced membership of any club. Cathy’s title deed only makes mention of some vague “schedule of conditions” in some or other Section. These were not made available to her before transfer. Basically, she was conned into belonging to a social club. The Bill of Rights no. 18 states that everyone has the freedom of association, and seeing that this is actually a social club, I think that she is well within her rights to belong or not to belong as she pleases.

I think that this was the thinking when the AGM of April 2005 when members of the club decided that she no longer had to be a member. Of course, the fact that membership of the club is not expressly referred to in her title deed would also have played a major role in this decision.

Cathy was not billed for any membership fees since 2005, but early this year, she all of a sudden received an account again. How can the club unilaterally decide to re-instate her membership? Her enforced membership was revoked by mutual consent and she never wanted to be a member again. Since when can one enforce a contract which is only agreed to by one of the parties thereto?

The property of the club also does not “belong” to her, as it seems to do in Leon’s case. Leon’s title deed actually stipulates that he is an owner. So here you have a situation where some members are owners, and some are not.

It must be remembered that this is a social club. The club is a legal entity in its own right. It even owns property. I seriously doubt whether membership can be enforced, title deed condition or not, but this would be for the courts to decide. Remember, the Club came into being before our new National Constitution with its liberating “Bill of Rights”.

Personally, I believe that Leon’s title deed stating that he is an owner is a mistake on someone’s part, but again, this is a point for the courts or the Deeds Office to decide. Be it as it may, it is still very confusing and rather prejudicial if it were true.

The rules of the club do provide for the club to be dissolved. Cathy and others are fully within their rights to canvass the area in order to gain support for this move and must be allowed to do so without threats and intimidation. (Human Right number 17: Everyone has the right to Assembly, demonstration, picket and petition.)

No doubt, some people have to belong to the club and pay their fees. You certainly seem to fit that bill and I am glad you have found a way to make it work for you. In other cases, the lines are a bit more hazy.

I salute Cathy for trying to do what she feels is right. It is hard work, but she does seem to have a lot of support, considering the number of people who have already signed her petition.

I am sure that Leon tries his very best to be a good chairman. He should however learn to mind his manners. His personal attacks and threats are at the very least distasteful and I would even venture to say, in some cases, serously unlawful. I condemn it with every fibre in my body and in this regard I can only say: “Fight the cause, not the person”.

It opened every weekend so that you do not need to go all the way around.

In fact, I eventually decided that since I was paying subs, I may as well use the facilities - and I’m now quite enjoying my tennis. My major complaint is that the new walls are doing too good a job of keeping my tennis balls on the court, so my weight loss efforts are being hampered by not having to run around the clubhouse every five minutes like I used to when the balls rolled under the broken fence!

What nobody on this website has ever acknowledged is that no amount of begging, pleading or friendly reminders have ever proven successful in getting people to pay what they know they should (but choose not to). Whilst I don’t necessarily condone the threatening tone he takes at times, the way Leon Lee is managing the collection of subs (ie via threat of legal action) is the only way these collections can, and should, be managed.

Think about it. You might not like the fact that you have to drive 60kmh on our city roads. You probably never had a say in deciding that this was the appropriate speed. And you may be canvassing people to sign a petition to local government to change the speed limit or do away with it altogether. But none of these things change the fact that you still have to drive 60kmh or face the legal consequences.

And calling the traffic cops who catch you, or the lawyer who prosecutes you, Robert Mugabe is certainly not going to do you any favours.

The bottom line? Pay your subs. If you don’t want to, move somewhere else. Then Leon won’t have to keep on pestering you - and you (and he) will undoubtedly be a whole lot happier. Oh, and try a bit of tennis. The endorphins will make you feel a lot better.

Oh, one last thought. Given the apparent crisis that the payment of the R50 subs is causing in the lives of so many residents, I would urge everyone to drop the idea of the San Marina security plan. It’s highly likely that in a few months’ time this scheme will suffer a similar mutiny as people suddenly realise that would prefer to spend the R80 per month on pizza. And the poor individuals who initiated the scheme will be left footing the bill.

Now San Marina is another matter. I will take responsibility for that. Since there is nothing to discuss on security matters as this website was designed to do I will now say that if you really want to know more then I suggest that you do it via the proper way. This being a paid up member of SMRC and requesting info dictated via our constitution also freely availible via www.sanmarina.co.za.

Now on a more positive matter. I hereby invite all to come down to the Fair that will be happening on the 6 Dec 2008. It will start at 10 am to 5 pm. You then can see if the club is as awfull as a few of you said it is.

There will be activities for the kids. I will also be there making a lamp potjie - R10 a plate. Hopefully I will not controvene my restraining order on that day.

So please come down and enjoy the day with your fellow Marina residents.

I thought instead of sitting on the fence and giving my opinion I will try this neighborhood watch by volunteering one night of the week. I wanted to see for my self what it really is all about.

My first night was quite a show. Within five minutes we saw a person walking around at around 12.15 am. When he saw us he started walking in the direction of his house. We followed without intimating or even asking what he was doing out so late at night. It was quite amazing to see how people react when they see the neighborhood watch walking in their direction.

After this individual went home we went around towards the entrance of Oudevlei road. There we saw guys on ladders fitting voting posters. They where very quick to react by saying that they were from the advertising agencies even though we did not ask. We purely watched them for five minutes while they did the posters.

While we waited a bakkie screeched to a halt and someone was thrown out of the back. The bakkie drove away but stopped and reversed back trying its best to knock the individual who was left behind over. They hit the curb and stopped. Someone else from the back climbed out and took the driving seat. They drove off leaving the individual behind.

All of the above happened within an hour of me walking the route. Life is more exciting after hours.

After two more rounds it was agreed that the area was quite and we all went home.

If it was not for these individuals we would have more unknowns walking our roads looking to do crime. I am now staying on and I would really like to encourage anyone who has time to give one night of your time. Even if it is for an hour or so.

If you can assist please speak to Mr. Peter Elrick or phone the roaming cell that these individuals have when they walk and test this concept out. Remember they are watching your house to.

The cell number is 071 0288 031. It will only be on if they are on duty.

If it is on voicemail please contact the police or Chubb/ADT if you are a subscriber.

Could you please tell us who the new Chairman is? May we assume that it is Mr. Craske, seeing that half the committee actually lives in his street?

I would not offer Mr. Lee a shoulder though. He seems to be the blood-sucking kind and the shoulder is just too close to the neck.

There was this girl who was bored at night. She wanted to play with her companions but their battyries where flat. Can not phone a friend as it is to late - 12pm. So what now. Go see if any of my virtaul friends are awake. Sadly none where. Due to frustration she wrote an article to that place call www

If she was clever enough like I am she would have made sure that the companions where using rechargable batteries and where on charge at all times. At least they would have hummmmm away during the night and listened to her song.

So Cathye and Peter now you know the full story.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

Anita requested me to back off a bit so I will be doing that for a while. Maybe this went a bit to far and a true leader knows when to walk away.

The bloggers has won for now.

A Bull, escaping from a hungry lion, hid in a deep cave which some goatherds had recently used for their main home. A billy goat had been left behind in the cave by mistake and when he saw the great bull he butted him sharply with his horns. The bull, quite unharmed by the butting of the goat, turned his head and said quietly to him:
“I have no fear of you, but only of the lion who is hunting for me outside. Let him once go away, and I will soon let you know what is the difference between the strength of a goat and a bull!”
It is a very unkind nature that takes advantage of someone in distress.

Leon, I, like some of the others on this site, am absolutely terrified of my own safety and therefore I feel I cannot attend your meetings. I would not feel safe.

I take your threat very seriously and will take the matter further.

Love
Cathy
(Also known as the Lamb Chop)

Slow down, you are tripping over your own feet. Remember, the valuation roll is available - for free - on the internet. Your house is valued at R926 000,00 and not at R1.5 mil.

And don’t you dare call me a freeloader. I,together with many other members of this community, have spent many hours and a lot of money - our own money, not money extorted from the community - on fighting a situation that is inherently unjust and prejudicial. We have not done this for financial gain, but because we believe that it is in the best interest of the community at large.

I have not just sat on the sideline, expecting others to do work for me. Quite the contrary. This situation, foisted on us by greed, has caused me, for more than 2 years, to make it my mission to help the community. It has almost been a full-time job. And I have done it free of charge and with no expectation of any financial compensation whatsoever. I only did it because I feel it is the right thing to do.

So climb off your high horse, mister. You have already advised everyone that you have no such philanthropic ideals and that you do what you do because you find some kind of gain therefrom.

Warren

Warren

I pay for rates on a 1,5 mil rand house. Go across the street and you pay nothing.

I pay extra on my water to give to the under privilege that sit at home - to lazy to get a job. Go across the street and you pay nothing as the tap is a communal one that can run the whole day.

I pay high consumption on my electricity - pay penalties on it so that I can support the bonuses for the managers of Eskom. Go across the road you get supplied with electricity (part of self development done by government)- get rebate and get concession.

All of this 200 meters away from my house.

Yes I have an issue with free loaders.

Sounds just like the MDGA. They work for the people - get criticized while doing free work for the free loaders. All the while the free loaders sitting on the fence giving comments loader

The question should be why do I catch Cathy there every weekend enjoying the facilities. She did say that the tennis balls goes under her feet after it bounces of the wall.

I think secretly she loves the place now since it looks like a club but can not show it in front of her close friends.

She was the biggest opposer for a long time.

Cathy will I see you there again this weekend specially by the bring and braai that the neighborhood watch has arranged.

What about by the FAIR that is happening on the 6 Dec 2008.

Come on Cathy just admit it. The club is for you. We still accept you with open arms.

A big surprise is coming their way this Xmas. Shame that all that nice Xmas gifts will have to be pawned at cash crusaders. Legal fees do not come cheap. Luckily the club do not pay any.

Imagine I could get commission for all the hand overs that I have done so far. Could go to the Kruger park and practice my hunting skills.

By the end of Jan 09 is should be close to 100% as subs are charged in advance.

Maybe one or two die hards will still be around.

Tuff meat takes long to soften up. No chewing required though - only swallowing will take place.