Leon, I, like some of the others on this site, am absolutely terrified of my own safety and therefore I feel I cannot attend your meetings. I would not feel safe.
I take your threat very seriously and will take the matter further.
No Cathye - I love a good challenge - but about the issue at hand. If we’re discussing apples don’t start talking about grapefruit and quoting dumb-ass sayings that are of no relevance. I don’t care if Leon is Chairman. Doesn’t bother me in the least. It’s the compulsory membership of what is a social club that is the rub. The underlying principle conflicts with the freedoms enshrined in the constitution of this country. Get it? The MDGA issue is too complex for you to understand.
Now run along and go play nicely at the club. Take Peter with you.
JT, you and your cronies would like to call the shots and when someone challenges you, you dislike it. I realise though, that you have nothing better to do with your pathetic life. Seeing that this issue is with Leon, he is doing a fine job as he is always busy at the club house with NO PAY and should be admired for that. Why don’t you become Chairman ? seeing that you have so much to say.Also, you obviously have a lot of time, please offer your services.
Leon, on a more serious note, seeing as this is my last post for the week (now watch those blinking ads reappear…) good luck for Monday’s MDGA AGM.
I have no doubt you will get reappointed onto the executive as there won’t be enough volunteers to warrant holding a vote. So you’re in already. Congratulations!
All differences aside, I salute you for going where no tyrant chairman has gone before and entering into a dialogue on this website with ‘headless chickens’ and ‘bitter einders’. It’s a start and for that reason alone, I hope your fellow excom members vote you in as Chairman. In fact, you should insist on it. Just give them a piece of your mind and demand your rightful place and I’m sure they’ll go for it. May the force be with you!!
My!My!My!I got me a grade 4 and me mum made it to 3 all while we’s 5 of us lived in a wee little house. My!!My!!My!!I got me to grade 2 and me dad well he was in special school and me, mum, dad, gramps and me 5 brudders had to live in a one-woom wendy house.My!!!My!!!My!!!You so lucky you wouldna know it. I remember playschool and me mum saying lucky we were, me ma didna go to school as for dad he was taught by me gramps in the dark widda lantern. Me dad, gramps, gramma & his 10 brudders & sistas lived all together in a shoebox…
Leon, what you are complaining about is a drop in the ocean. Let me make your nightmare even worse. Rand-wise there is just as much if not more grossly under-valued luxury and commercial property which you are also subsidising with your taxes. Chances are the little plots over the way are too small to attract rates to any meaningful extent. As I said before, you get the same benefit so stop whining. Personally I am more than happy to pay taxes so long as officialdom don’t steal it. Instead of eating colleagues for lunch you should read the papers. There are so many people out of work because there simply aren’t enough jobs to go around. Be thankful for small mercies Leon. We don’t have to share jobs yet but don’t think it won’t ever happen. You could end up sharing a whole lot more than you bargained for so get with the programme and stop being so self-centred. Ubuntu!
No Peter, so far it’s just you & Cathye that are bleating on about completely irrelevant twaddle. You’re like those irritating ads on telly that interrupt the movie just at that crucial nail biting moment. The ads have every right to feature on the telly of course & sure there must be some folk who enjoy watching them. Not me tho’. Now why do you think anyone would be remotely interested in your school grades??? What has that got to do with anything? Seems you have self-esteem issues and no sense of humour. Cathy sounds off like one of those kids who pulls wings off flies & gets excited when a fight breaks out in the schoolyard - as she can’t wait to join in.
As for meeting with Leon quite frankly I’d be too scared to go anywhere near the guy. Power has gone to his head. Wait for when he’s Chairman of the MDGA too - we’ll all be living in the Republic of MDG governed by Lord Leon.
Now why don’t you & Cathye tootle off and go compare school grades with your friends. Must make for fascinating conversation.
(please take Leon to look at the post above from your NH Watch - seems altruistic volunteerism can work even in your own neighbourhood)
Slow down, you are tripping over your own feet. Remember, the valuation roll is available - for free - on the internet. Your house is valued at R926 000,00 and not at R1.5 mil.
And don’t you dare call me a freeloader. I,together with many other members of this community, have spent many hours and a lot of money - our own money, not money extorted form the community - on fighting a situation that is inherently unjust and prejudicial. We have not done this for financial gain, but because we believe that it is in the best interest of the community at large.
I have not just sat on the sideline, expecting others to do work for me. Quite the contrary. This situation, foisted on us by greed, has caused me, for more than 2 years, to make it my mission to help the community. It has almost been a full-time job. And I have done it free of charge and with no expectation of any financial compensation whatsoever. I only did it because I feel it is the right thing to do.
So climb off your high horse, mister. You have already advised everyone that you have no such philanthropic ideals and that you do what you do because you find some kind of gain therefrom.
adminThere are residents in the San Marina area who heard a knock on their door one morning – it was the sheriff of the court with papers to attach their few household belongings.
This was all thanks to Leon Lee. Did this spineless weasel ever think a little further than his arrogant self? Just maybe these people who had their worldly goods attached had no job, had children to feed, were on the verge of loosing their house or flat perhaps? Did this little man ever think of the consequences of his actions and perhaps precarious situation some of these people were in!!!
My God Lee don’t you ever think before taking actions like this?? What I think or presume is that you possibly work for a large corporation; maybe your exceptional skills have not been recognized and due to being the underdog with no recognition, you feel the need to explore avenues to vent.
With this being the scenario, it would make sense that you need to bully, threaten and attempt to manipulate for your own vanity and arrogance.
I guess that prats, with little or no common decency towards their fellow man, need to feel important and authoritative.
adminLeon Lee
WARNING:Ease up on threatening residents. I did not appreciate your above comment in the least. Against my better judgment it was posted. It seems you take much joy in creating further misery/hardship for some residents without knowing their current financial constraints, while you laugh.
leonSlow down. You are tripping over your own feet. You can not claim IOD from the webmaster.
I pay for rates on a 1,5 mil rand house. Go across the street and you pay nothing.
I pay extra on my water to give to the under privilege that sit at home - to lazy to get a job. Go across the street and you pay nothing as the tap is a communal one that can run the whole day.
I pay high consumption on my electricity - pay penalties on it so that I can support the bonuses for the managers of Eskom. Go across the road you get supplied with electricity (part of self development done by government)- get rebate and get concession.
All of this 200 meters away from my house.
Yes I have an issue with free loaders.
Sounds just like the MDGA. They work for the people - get criticized while doing free work for the free loaders. All the while the free loaders sitting on the fence giving comments loader
The question should be why do I catch Cathy there every weekend enjoying the facilities. She did say that the tennis balls goes under her feet after it bounces of the wall.
I think secretly she loves the place now since it looks like a club but can not show it in front of her close friends.
She was the biggest opposer for a long time.
Cathy will I see you there again this weekend specially by the bring and braai that the neighborhood watch has arranged.
What about by the FAIR that is happening on the 6 Dec 2008.
Come on Cathy just admit it. The club is for you. We still accept you with open arms.
leon+-80%. The other 20% is still not convinced that assets can not be removed if subs are withheld.
A big surprise is coming their way this Xmas. Shame that all that nice Xmas gifts will have to be pawned at cash crusaders. Legal fees do not come cheap. Luckily the club do not pay any.
Imagine I could get commission for all the hand overs that I have done so far. Could go to the Kruger park and practice my hunting skills.
By the end of Jan 09 is should be close to 100% as subs are charged in advance.
Maybe one or two die hards will still be around.
Tuff meat takes long to soften up. No chewing required though - only swallowing will take place.
NH WatchAs this has to do with security, may I “hijack” your blog to invite all residents of San Marina and Marina Moorings to come to a free neighbourhood watch “bring and braai”, disco & karaoke this Saturday 1st November from 5 p.m. onwards at the San Marina Recreational Clubhouse. Come along to find out more about the neighbourhood watch which was recently started in San Marina.
Please note that this function has nothing to do with the S.M.R.C. apart from them allowing us to use the hall free of charge (It seems that they are not that bad after all!). This invitation is open to all residents whether you are in arrears or not towards the S.M.R.C.
Peter ElJt, if you and Leon are having a private discussion then why not contact him directly via email or telephone and stop posting your nonsense on this blog for all and sundry to read. Or does this blog belong to you personally? It seems that anyone who has a different opinion to you is losing the plot. Wake up and respect the views of others. Freedom of Expression is part of our constitution.
I thought that a blog is for anyone with an interest in the subject to leave a comment. Then again it appears that I am not as educated as you are far as using a bolg is concerned. My apologies. I only got as far as Std 4 (Grade 6) in school. I wasn’t allowed to go any further as my father failed Std 5 in the same school!!!
AnitaNow, now, down guys. But I have to agree with JT, Cathye, you are talking gobbledy-goo. Clearly you are a fan of Leon’s and would like to defend him. Fair enough. Maybe you should tell us why he is doing a good job and why you like him? Maybe you could even venture an opinion about the Marina Da Gama Association? Personal insults don’t achieve anything.Oct 30, 4:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtPeter & Cathye, we’re trying to have a discussion here with Leon and you guys keep chirping in with irrelevant gobbledy-goo. Please go find another blog where you can ‘chat’ to each other as the two of you are definitely on the same page and I’m sure could keep each other entertained for hours…Oct 30, 4:36 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
CathyeShame, as the saying goes “where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise”Oct 30, 4:08 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtSorry Leon I stand to correction wrt the electricity quota - Eskom probably can’t afford it just yet.Oct 30, 3:35 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
jtLeon, you are making some seriously wild assumptions about Vrygrond (and I sincerely hope this isn’t the sort of talk that goes on at MDGA Excom meetings).
Everybody is entitled to a free quota of electricity & water, yourself included. And if you study your rates bill you will see that you also enjoy a rebate on your property rates.Oct 30, 3:32 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
Peter ElJt, is “lost the plot” all you can say when you cant find any better comment to make? Once again your comment makes no sense whatsoever! Maybe you think that you are the only person in MdG who has “a plot”. Sorry to inform you but you are mistaken. Don’t feel bad - I am sure that a doctor of psychiatry can help you.Oct 30, 3:23 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtPeter, dear, you too have lost the plot. If I didn’t know better I’d swear you and Cathye must be related…Oct 30, 2:51 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonAll I saw so far is a lot of talking. Talking in circles like polititions who really do not have answers. No one has real answers or proof that what was said can be done - just asumptions.The MDGA is legal but the constitution is illegal according to you so what have you done to correct it. Nothing because hot air balloons evently comes down to the real world and realise it can not be done.I can maybe get fired by Monday but guess what I have been nominated again. Pietie’s job then get nomitated by the nice folk who give up their free time and who entertains confused people like yourself. So the chance I get Pietie’s job is good.
With regard to Vrygrond - do you like that place. Are you prepared to stay there. You will get free electricity ; water and rates. Is that not what you wanted. Everything for FREE and on a platter. Maybe a free house to if you can confince council to give it to you. If not just grap some land. Just say it was your anscieters land.
jtLeon, you’re getting waaaaaay too personal now enquiring about my playmates. As for being on the computer late at night, we don’t all have a curfew and fixed bedtime you know. I guess I’m one of those lucky folk who get to manage their own time - at work & at home, day & night. I have very understanding playmates
Regarding the SMRC property, you’d better make that 267 because the title deed in front of me says sweet fanny adams about ownership. You should check them all, Leon - who knows, perhaps you are the sole owner! Imagine that, you’d be an instant millionnaire.
The Deeds Office may not register associations, Leon, but they do need to be notified of amendments to names of associations mentioned in title deed restrictions. Why? So that when someone buys a property they know what they’re buying. Where does one go to establish the details of and other incumbrances attaching to a title deed restriction? Yes my boy, the Deeds Office. And you’re quite right, they have no record of the Marina Da Gama Association.Oct 30, 12:27 PM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
jtLeon, Leon, Leon, how many times must we explain? Why do you keep missing the point regarding the MDGA constitution? If you don’t mind I’m not going to dance around that daisy bush with you any more.
As regards volunteers and voluntary associations, you really should have more faith in your fellow man. Did you have a bad childhood experience that makes you so negative and distrustful of the community in which you live? As for Vrygrond and other neighbouring communities, where do you get off being so insulting and derogatory?
When co-opted onto the MDGA Excom were you not made to sign a confidentiality agreement? Is the Chairman aware that you’re blabbering away over here? There was a time when he didn’t tolerate Excom members stepping out of line like this - ask the others. One squeak on this site nearly saw their hands cut off.
In normal circumstances, I’d say the odds of your getting fired before Monday are excellent - 10:1 - but you’re in luck as the Chairman is desperate to hand over to someone who will make him seem comparatively harmless. I think you fit the bill Oct 30, 12:14 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
leonI am here to stay. Get more clarity on this issue.Strange none of you fence sitters are joining up.Imagine we have you on the MDGA. We can change the way people think. Give them the freedom of choice. Even introduce a legal constitition.
With the info you have given me so far it wont be long before we will have a special area called Vrygrond extension with an Association that do not really work for you as they have no power over you or any rights - who will be on a volunteer basis - and for free.
Keep up the good work. I can not wait for that day.
AnitaMy bet is that Pietie has given up on the Marina and will not make any more effort to protect the Marina’s good name. Besides, no-one else wants to fill his dirtied shoes. I bet 10-1 Leon stays.Oct 30, 11:13 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
leonThe SMRC is a bit different - you don’t get a share of the proceeds if the property is disposed of - Why not. All 268 owners have the same right solong they are paid up.Oct 30, 10:54 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
leonThe deeds office said that any Association has the right to change their name as the rules stay the same. No Associations is however registered with them. You know this very well. Testing people is cruel.And yes it does say that I own the ground on which SMRC is standing on until I sell then it gets transfereed to the new owner as part of the privilige to stay in San Marina.Give me your details and I will mail it to you. At least I can see who JT really is.
My cut feeling says that you stay in San Marina as you know a few things that other people do not know. Where you at the AGM?
I also have a feeling that you stay alone - to play around on a PC 12 pm at night . No one to play with - physically?? Or do you enjoy being in front of the PC.
The virtual world is not real. I hope you realise that.
jtIf the MDGA dissolves, the spoils are divided amongst the members (just not the deposit money). Now don’t get excited. The SMRC is a bit different - you don’t get a share of the proceeds if the property is disposed of.Oct 30, 10:38 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
Mama MiaMr. Lee, I am hiding behind an alias because I am scared you are going to hunt me down and put me out of my misery like a sick animal. Call me a spineless coward if you like, but rather a Bang Jan than a Dooie Jan.Oct 30, 10:33 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
Mama MiaIf no-one volunteers to become committee members, we will have a street party and dance till dawn. The money can be used to pay any debts (although there should not be any) and use the rest to buy bubbly for the party.Good question though. Why are you wasting your time volunteering?Oct 30, 10:27 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
Peter ElJt, your comments, once again, makes no sense whatsoever. The club itself is not forcing anyone to belong to it - It is a legal requirement as per your Deed of Transfer/Sale.
If the “little guys” cannot afford R50 per month may I suggest that they sell their property to someone who will appreciate having the use of the club’s facilities and move across the road into a shack along with our Vrygrond neighbours. Just think you wont have to pay for rates, water or any other levies, most of all the princely sum of R50 p.m. to S.M.R.C. Electricity may be a problem. Jt, are you one of the “little guys”?Cathy, while you are going about with your petition, why not draw one up to present to the City of Cape Town objecting to paying for rates, water, electricity etc. Or even better, petition Mr Trevor Manuel objecting to the payment of income tax. Now there’s a good idea!Oct 30, 10:12 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtSo Leon, what did the Deeds Office tell you about the MDGA name change?
And does your title deed really say that you ‘own’ the SMRC?Oct 30, 9:22 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
leonWhat will happen if no one volunteers to become commitee members at the upcomming AGM.Does the MDGA still excist or will they be disbanded.Who will pay the debts.
What happens to the money.
If they have no power to inplement anything why should they waste their time by volunteering for something that has no real meaning. It is only a name then.
leonIt is already falling apart.Tokai, Constantia, Kirstenhoff is exclusive to the higher class of working people and they have the urge to make sure that their house prices keep on going up.Take a walk around the area and you will see that the Marina is not that special area any more. Houses is grey in colour instead of white. Wooden fences is rotten and some even beyond repair. Scrap is parked in front.
People have lost the urge to do what needs to be done. maybe because of the financial pinch or just plainly dont care attitude.
Now what?
Do the MDGA ask to have that repaired or do they leave it. If they ask they are then told they are dictators. If they leave it then it becomes worse to the point of no return. Start to look like Vrygrond.
We all know that if you ask council to intervene you are asking for a miracle.
AdminUnfortunately, due to the fact that comments were already made to this post, it cannot be removed. Feel free to write another post. In most cases we submit to such requests, but please take note that we do reserve the right to place it or not.Oct 30, 8:53 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
AnitaMr Lee, you forgot the most important parts. The Marina da Gama Association may be legal, but it is not the association referred to in my title deed, and therefore is already a voluntary association.Council has the right to approve or reject building plans. NOT THE ASSOCIATION. The Association only has the right to comment on them. Just like a neighbour would have if you were to build a garage on your boundary line. Council may, in their sole discretion, accept of reject the Association’s comments. Council may, and have, approved building plans without the Association’s permission.The Association does not regulate the white walls. It was regulated (made Law) in 1987. ONLY THE CITY ENGINEER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT (Council) MAY ALLOW CHANGES TO THE COLOUR OF THE WALLS. It’s the Law. Again, it has nothing to do with the Association.
Council by-laws prevent you from having your grass any length you want or having an old rust-bucket on the street.
If the Association want to force people to do anything, they have to do so through Council or the Courts, just like a voluntary ratepayers’ association.
My question is… Why do you think everything will fall apart if we don’t have bullies around? Why should Marina Da Gama start looking like Vrygrond? What about Tokai, Constantia, Kirstenhoff etc. They don’t have home-owners’ associations bullying them and people do seem to look after their properties there. Do you really believe that the people of Marina Da Gama have less pride in their properties?
leonThis was put up quickly. I have not had a chance to put both sides of the story together yet. Can we remove it and put up a proper one with facts attached. I will have it ready by this afternoonOct 30, 8:15 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
leonDoes that now sound like a personal threat?Anita already asked that personal threats to be stopped as it is not funny.It can become real.
Look at at Tony who shot his family due to outside pressure.
Mama MieMr. Lee, there is a third alternative. We can hunt you down and take you out like a sick animal.Oct 30, 7:59 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonNow about the MDGA.To put this now in a nutshell is as follows.According to what I see here is that the MDGA is legal but the constitution is ilegal. The choice is now do you scrap the constition and put a new one in place as you can not have a Association without a constitution.The old one has power to dictate. It clearly says that your house must be white;your verges to be neatened and your wall to be 2.1m in height and be visible pleasant to the eye. No scrap to be in front of your house like broken rusted trailers and cars.If any of these rules are broken you get a letter of demand. You might land up in court. You are also forced to be a member at R170 a year.
The new one which be in place will be voluntary. Will have no power over you. You can paint your house any colour - in my case I like purple. Do not need aproval from the commitee to put up my double garage made of zink plate as council do approve it - harsh financial times these days. My grass can grow to the lengh I want and my vehicle that was written off and rusting away can park in fron of my house. You will save a whole R170 a year and the area will then really become a special area. Can you imagine the rainbow colour houses we will have instead of that bright white.
I think we should vote on the new constitution. It sounds very democratic and open minded. I do not say this in a sarcastic manner because I feel strongly to the freedom of choice. Why should I be dictated by a few who has no real interest in my needs. That little clause I have will also have no meaning to me.
If this what the people want then it should be done and put in place. The members should have the right to freedom of choice.
If admin will allow it I would like to have a new forum opened up on this website. It will display both sides of the story and open it up for discussion.
leonI think we deviated a bit of the topic so let us put in a nutshell. The SMRC was attacked specially the Chairman which is me. It was defended and now there is two choices to be made.Leave the tyrant alone and let him do his function or have him voted out.Both is quite easy. All you need to vote him out is a paid up member who is brave enough to put in a vote of no confidance. Two conditions apply here. One is to have your facts in order and the next be prepared to take over from him. No fence sitters allowed though.Anybody prepared to take that risk???
Glad to see a new forum was opened up.
It was my intention that when I use any content it will be credited to those who created it.
Vice AdminLeonHave you thought about trying to understand the frustration of some of us WHO do not want to belong to the recreational club. You in your capacity as chairman have not tried to be understanding and fair, discussed the situation, in a friendly manner.You are very aggressive and have not tried to help in any way, if I was in your shoes as chair person I would try to help as best as I could to solve this PROBLEM, in this small community of ours.Aggression and threats never work, as you get the hackles up of everyone else concerned and then there will never be any understanding.
This is a small community of Marina da Gama know as San Marina and have nothing to do with the other side of the boundry and maybe as a community we could solve this problem like adults and stop acting like children who can’t get their way and throw tantrums.
For those who would like to belong to the recreational club be my guest, but please stop forcing the situation on to others who do not want that, some of us have our own swimming pools and braai facilities, and as for the tennis court here is a suggestion why not charge a booking fee for the court and then those who wish to use them can do so.
Here a thought, sports clubs or recreational clubs etc do not force you to become a member you have freedom of choice and not verbally attacked and forced to become a member, and as for attaching furniture and threatening people is no way to act, Leon do you have small peoples syndrome, because you cannot get your way you get arrogant and abusive…… NOT GOOD for your reputation which has gone down the tubes by 150% in some of our eyes.
We have our own recreation for where we stay and we pay for that, NOW WHY would we want to pay for something else aswell. As for your comment on knowing about the club in the deed, there are some people that were not informed and were phoned by the club and told that if they did not belong then their transfere would not go through, that to me is blackmail and down right rude. Some people never knew about the club and just got accounts, no-one came to visit the new owners and explain the situation and introduce themselves, so i ask you “why do you think you are getting this reaction from some people” in the small community who just want to have peace and do what they want to do, not what OTHERS want them to do.
And as for Theresa and her rude comments about her mother what example are you setting for your children….. I WONDER, you can be part of the club if you so wish but leave some of us alone.
I hope in your brains you can understand, as I think a 4 yr old would understand and act better about the situation than you lot are, you are like a bunch of spoilt children, if you do not get your way then bully everyone, that does not work, as bullies get put on the back burner and no-one wants to be associated with bullies, not how things work.
So try to be a bit more polite and accomodating to the situation and see if there is a way around this by Helping some of us in this small community and not bullying and harrasing those of us who would like to get on with our lives and not be part of this petty situation.
HeadlessCathye, Dear, won’t you do us a favour please and go play in your room for a bit. The grown-ups are talking.Oct 29, 8:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Anita“If removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself.”Asked and answered. “and can be taken off if and when I sell my house and a new title deed has to be issued to the new owner.”“Did the SAHRC have authority to declare the Association as illegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.”The Association is not illegal. It is just not the association referred to in our title deeds and its constitution was not legally enacted. The SAHRC have the authority to make findings on the constitutionality of the Association and its constitution and to make recommendations. You are quite correct, it should be enough to have that little nonsense clause removed. The wheels of justice turn slowly. At this stage, you are not entitled to any proof.
“Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.”
Asked and answered. Many, many, many times already. Besides, ExCom must produce the proof that the Association is legal. You are the ones making demands on us. As per the above, the Association is not illegal, but has no legal constitution. It also does not have the right to demand membership from us. I can however assure you that some of the actions of its ExCom members are very dicey indeed. For instance, it is illegal to incite members or threaten people with violence.
“Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???”
Asked and answered. You cannot “vote out” something which was unlawfully “voted in”. You cannot legally change a constitution which has not been legally enacted to start with. Voting on the matter would be a waste of effort and time.
“These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???” I have already gone to considerable effort to answer your questions.
“Do you have your facts in order?” Yes.
jtLeon, silly me, I forgot to ask - while you’re inspecting your title deed won’t you check what information the deeds office gave you regarding the MDGA name change? Then we can discuss. Oct 29, 6:18 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtCathye, be an Angel dear and disappear…
(Not only have you lost the plot, you’re not even on the same page.)
Leon, take a break. You’re starting to sound seriously loony. I know I said this site has good entertainment value, but that doesn’t make it the entertainment channel. Although I must concede that you are the star of the show. Let us know tomorrow what’s in your title deed ok? Maybe we all learn something new…
Peter, if it’s so cheap then why don’t the guys who use the club offer to pay a market related subscription and free the litte guys who don’t use the facilities and for whom it’s perhaps not such good value? Forcing people to belong to a social club is archaic. In fact, if you levy a slightly higher entrance fee for visitors and structure the SMRC along proper NPO lines (to secure the property rates rebate Leon’s trying to wangle) you’ll more than compensate for the few missing R50’s from the little guys. You know, think outside the box, take a look around, see how similar clubs manage their affairs, get creative. Look & learn. If we respect our differences, individuality, right to choose and the principle of freedom of association we’ll all get along just fine. I promise.
I find it truly mind blowing that we still have groups of people who feel the need to dominate others. For what? Oh yes, of course, it’s the money…Oct 29, 6:12 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
AdminLeonTo date, there are 78 posts and 312 comments on this website. If you click on the drop-down menu of just under the main photo of this website, you will see a list of all the posts. Alternatively, if you click on “Home” and scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will find a “Next Page” link. Click on the link and you will see the next 10 posts. Continue the process until you only see a “Previous Page” link at the bottom of the page. Please feel free to comment on any and all posts.Have fun.Oct 29, 5:17 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
CathyeMy!!!My!!!My!!! I really touched a nerve, didn’t I JT? You are right we don’t know each other, Thank God !! I would not want to be associated with people that are just Hot Air. Are you also one of those in arrears? from your comments it would appear so. Referring to PeterEl’s comments no one has “visited” me either. I wonder why??Oct 29, 5:12 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonYou guys must give yourself a pat on the shoulder. This is the best blog so far - 47 times commented and still counting. The closet one is Wind of change who only have 4.Think that when I publish this site in my next newsletter how the response will then be.Just a shame some of you run under aliases.Hope you guys won’t mind me using the cartoon. I want to find out if I am really a bully and a tyrant. Maybe request a referendum.
leonIf facts is so important to you why have you or any other person not answered me on the questions I asked. Maybe hiding the truth from your followers. Maybe the truth is that you can not change anything and that the MDGA is legal.Again I ask:If removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself.Did the SAHRC have autority to declare the Association as ilegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.
Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.
Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???
These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???
Do you have your facts in order?
With regard to the name change. I do not know when it was done but will find out. Just like the MDGA the SMRC have a right to change its name. Same rules still apply as per the deeds office. I queried the name change of the MDGA by them.
Peter ElMy, my, my!! What a lot of fuss over R50 per month. We in San Marina are really living up to the reputation of being the “Poorer Cousins” of Marina da Gama.
Let’s see what R50 can buy. 2 packets of cigarettes, 12 beers, 7 loaves of bread, a little more than 5 litres of petrol, etc. etc. etc. In other words not very much these days! For my R50 per month my family and I get to use the swimming pool, tennis court, play park for my child and the braai area. If I just had to use the municipal swimming pool in Muizenberg alone then I would have to travel 7 km. there and back and pay R33 (R13 per adult and R7 per child)each time my wife, my daughter and I wanted to swim. That equates to no more than one swim per month for my family for my R50!! Go to any tennis club and see what it will cost to hire a tennis court.
Cathy please advise how many of the 80 signatures you have are in arrears with their subs and who are from Fairlake. Be precise and give exact figures and don’t generalise. Why have only certain households been approached to sign the petition? No one has called on me - Coincidence!!
I have been a member of SMRC for almost 10 years (and served on the committee under 4 different chairpersons) and have never been arrears with my subs therefore I don’t have an issue with the club. It is my opinion that the signatories on the petition are made up mainly of those who are in arrears and are looking for a way not to pay or those form Fairlake who, I heard, were told by a certain person/s “Don’t pay, they can’t do anything to you”. Well, the news is you are legally bound as per your Deed of Sale or Deed of Transfer which you signed or was signed on your behalf by the transferring attorneys when you bought your property. If you did not like the conditions then why did you purchase property in San Marina in the first place? Don’t say that you didn’t know as ignorance is no excuse.
As for as the “hideous” wall is concerned, well it is a matter of personal opinion. Cathy, I am sure that I would find something hideous (in my opinion) on your property and the same for you on mine.
Leon, you are doing a great job in recovering the outstanding fees form the defaulters and “free-loaders”. Keep up the good work!!Oct 29, 4:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtLeon, you have been misinformed. The legal documentation I have in front of me confirms that you are NOT the owner of the SMRC. In fact it refers specifically to MEMBERS. Oh I get it, you think that because the registered owner of the property is “The Trustees for the time being of SMRC” that this means the trustees (and therefore you) own the property. Ha ha ha ha, no dear, it means that you hold the property ON BEHALF OF the SMRC. Please don’t make me explain what that means…
So perhaps you mean to do well and tell ‘the truth’ but facts are facts and your truth isn’t necessarily the truth. Incidentally this title deed here refers to the San Marina Sports Club - when did it change its name?Oct 29, 1:57 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
AnitaHi Garfield. Welcome to the discussion.I agree, until such time as the club is sold, or dissolved or whatever, the owners of the club are responsible for paying levies. Rates and taxes have to be paid, as does electricity, etc, and the owners have no choice but to pay. If, however, the majority of the owners want to get rid of the club, they should put pen to paper and have it done. Once transfer takes place, they are no longer responsible. Simple. I do know of some special circumstances for some members, but in the majority of cases, the homeowners are responsible for the levies.
Still, the function of a chairman is not to be a bully or a debt collector and there is no reason to become personal or threatening. If the people don’t pay, let the law take its course. The courts are better equipped to handle these matters, and they do not tell debtors that they are spineless idiots blah, blah, blah. Then Leon can get on with running the club in a professional manner. Who knows, maybe if the club was run in a friendly way, more people will want to use it and pay their levies willingly without having to be sued.Oct 29, 1:39 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonI am back. Had an executive for lunch. He did not do his job properly. A bit bony though.Now on a serious note. SMRC was attacked by false information and it was defended with the truth. If you do not think so then ask away anything. I will try to answer in any way I can. If not then I will try finding out. What I know is what all owners know about SMRC.If this blog was generated to keep the average Joe informed about the activities of the Marina and also to have the oppurtunity to be little individuals who is trying their best to accomodate most then why is it so difficult to get the correct info with regard to statements that is easily thrown around here on this blog.I am being asked to supply info which everyone knows I can not give due to the fact that I do not know what you really want nor the fact that the Association is older than what I am. How can I tell you what happened 35 years ago.If you are so sure of your facts why are you still battling to disassociate yourself from them - the Pietie crowd. The answer is simple. The Association is legal and there is nothing you or me can do about it. If we could why has it not done yet.
All what was achieved so far is that you have them taken to the SAHRC. Now what. Did the SAHRC have autority to declare the Association as ilegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.
Then you should be free of maybe me. I might consider the Pietie post. Will see how it goes at the AGM. You never know. It is also so much fun on this blog. All these intelegtial questions and ………(still waiting on the answers)
Questions stays unanswered. Why???
With regard to my anger management. I am working on it. I started yesterday. A whole day without outburst. A great achievement for me.
GarfieldI fully agree with Chairman Leon. The subs need to be paid as we all are enjoying the greal facilities @ the club.
Viva Leon VivaOct 29, 12:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
AnitaI enjoy the blog. Besides, Pietie is no longer an issue anyway. Didn’t he resign? So by the way, are you fixing to replace him?Oct 29, 12:04 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Mama MiaPssst, Julius, your next logical step is to substitute “take you out” with “eliminate”.Oct 29, 11:58 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
AnitaLeon.Tony probably said the same thing just before he shot and killed his neighbour. Now he is in Valkenberg and 2 children are without a mother. Maybe you should consider going for anger management classes?Are you going to look for those documents for us? Pietie could not find it, but maybe you will have more luck.Oct 29, 11:45 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonJT: I think you are confused. The SMRC do not have members but owners. In actaul fact 268 of them. I am one of them. Ask anyone for their deed as it clearly states that they are owners and not a members. That is why fees are compulsary so that the rates,water and electricty can be paid by all.The office says hi too.Anita: If the the Association is referred to you in your title deed why have not removed it since according to you it is only a just a nonsense clause.Then you will need to spend so much time on blogs like this one.You will be FREE from all specially that Pietie(chairman) of the MDGA.
Lastly I do not threaten people. I just loose my temper now and then specially when people talk because talking is nice. Then I take my frustration out on blogs like these ones.
jtLeon, if you think you OWN the SMRC then you have been misinformed. Seriously misinformed.
You were sleeping last night while I was at my computer? Gee now there’s a thought. Now why am I not surprised that you switch on your computer when you want to talk to someone? I pick up the phone…
As an excom member of 2 associations it would be in your and your members’ best interests to consult your attorneys…after all they’d be best placed to explain these things to you in a way that you’d be able to understand.
Are you saying that SMRC information is only made available to paid-up members? You might want to bounce that one off your attorneys as well.
Come on, lighten up Leon you’re taking this website way too personally. At least your colleagues appreciate its entertainment value - hi guys Oct 29, 10:42 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonI will take it up with them to determine the staements you make is correct.As far as the SMRC goes please make an effort to publish truth and factaul statements.We do not want everybody to know you as person who back track and only publish things to suite your need.The invitation is still open for anyone who would like to meet me face to face and meet me personally.I am at the club every weekend working to make people like Cathy’s life a misery by painting ; putting up secure wall so that the kids do not drown and forcing parents to take responsibility for their kids and not use the facility as a dumping ground for an easy way out. Making sure the inviroment is a pleasant for those who are paid up and a misery for people like Cathy.
Has any of you bloggers been to the club recently or are you just assuming that SMRC is like the MDGA - a little Zimbabwe. Just do not forget to come via someone who has an ID card.
I am trying my best to keep foreigners out and exploiting the rights of others.
AnitaDear LeonNow, let’s see if we can make this simple.1) There is no need to dissolve the Association. It just needs to be put in its proper place. The research I have done shows that it is not the association referred to in my title deed. As an ExCom member, you are in an ideal position to verify what I have said. All you have to do, is look at the minute book, and see that the constitution has never been adopted by the members an AGM. No legal constitution, no legal home-owners’ association. Quite simple. You will also not find a document showing Council’s approval of the constitution (a requirement in Law). All you will find is a title deed restriction, imposed in 1972, that we have to belong to an Eastlake Association. The first anybody knew of any Eastlake Association, was in 1979. This so-called Association had far different objectives than was intended for the association the Administrator called for in the Title Deed. Hmmm. what happened between ’72 and ’79? And then all of a sudden, again without the permission of the owners, a new constitution appears from nowhere in 1986. Well, Association newsletters clearly say that the owners had no say in this constitution and that the owners never even got the opportunity to agree to the contract. Sorry, I am afraid you cannot enter into a contract with someone else if that person is not willing (or even given the opportunity) to agree to the contract.
2) So, as this is not the Association referred to in my title deed, I do not have to belong. No legal Eastlake Association (an association without a legal constitution is no legal association) was ever formed and the title deed restriction is therefore just a nonsense clause.
3) It therefore follows that the Association cannot sue me for levies/ subscriptions or whatever, as there is no binding contract between us.Should you have any contradictory evidence, please let us have it as a matter of extreme urgency, as your failure to do so, may have serious legal implications. If you do not have any other evidence, the Association’s rightful place is as a voluntary association, and I will have no business putting a resolution forward to dissolve it, as I am no longer a member.Oct 29, 10:05 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonBy the way my office colleques and friends is getting into this blog like 7 de laan. They can not wait for the next episodeOct 29, 9:55 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonAt last I am glad to see to someone realises that there is a real world where the reality is different to fantasy.The question still remains. Why must I now go to my attorneys to find out the process. Are you guys not on the ball here. Why can you not tell me. I hope you guys do not practicing a closed door policy because that will just not be right. Do you agree?I presume now that the apartheid regime is here to stay since no one can really give proper and factaul answers.I take it they are really legal since no one got it right to change their deed either.Can I expect you to respond some time tonight again when I am sleeping and when you feel lonely to talk to someone.
Can I suggest a new topic as this one is becomming boring.
On a last note. I did not entertain anyone because I am a MDGA commitee member but as the chairman and owner of SMRC. I will defend it if allegations and statements are made by spineless individauls who hide behind blogs and who is not prepared to make it official by requesting information directly for scruntineering. Any information with regard to SMRC is availble to anyone who is a paid up member. I have never denied access to information and if I did then that individual should say there name and not hide behind aliases so that the commitee can action against me. The paid up members also have a right to take action as my club is not run under apartheid rules but under Zuma’s.
You just need to let me know before the time so that I can get rid of the evidence. Maybe get rid of the commitee and replace them with ones I can trust to lie for me.
By the way has anyone gone to Cathy yet and told her that I really do not want her to travel to the other side yet - downstairs where it is hot. The wolf is still hungry.
jtMorning Leon
Not all Chairmans are tyrants. Perhaps you haven’t had the opportunity to experience great leadership yet. I’m sure you will.
My point re apartheid is about FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION so not sure what you’re ranting on about(?)
Re the removal of title deed restrictions there is a process that needs to be followed and I respect that process. Your attorneys or auditors will be able to explain the various options to you. Although I’m not sure why you want to remove yours all of a sudden (?)
Thank you for being bold enough to communicate on this forum where other Excom members have been too chicken to tread. Without detracting from the serousness of the underlying issues, this website makes for great entertainment, don’t you think?
Have a lovely day!
p.s. must get back to my real work now…Oct 29, 8:46 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonA lot of blapper again from the folks that said they can do things. Now I get told that the association is not as bad as it is. It must just be amended to suite those who was victims of the old apartheid.Like real polititions answers do not really get answered and hide behind excuses.Why not disban the association and let people choose - No you can not because apartheid is holding you back.You still have not answered the questions that was posted nor any of the bloggers.Why do you not put in a proposal do dissolve it and have a voluntary one formed under your leadership. Hopefully it will be an open door policy just like the SMRC and not controlled like the apartheid era regime.
If is removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself yet.
What is your solution to the dictatorship of the association.
How much better it will be under your leadership.
By the way all chairmans are tyrants. Because people are not mature enough to pay their subs the tyrents has no choice but to be the wolf and slowly endulge the eating of the lamb.
Why does the lamb not put her money where her mouth is and back up the allections that was made. Oh I forgot she is protected by the bloggers who is not members of SMRC and has no idea what is happening because they sit on a fence and blame apartheid for her wrong doing.
Let see if real answers is given on the question that was ask.
jtThat the SMRC is not a PBO is a huge relief I can’t tell you how relieved I am. Not sure that you would want it to be an NPO either though as the NPO Act actively encourages transparency. You might consider embracing the concept however and posting the financials on your website (I don’t know Cathy so can’t ask her for a copy).Oct 29, 12:03 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtHi Cathye
I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I am not idle by any stretch of the imagination so don’t make wild assumptions. Clearly you have little understanding of what is going on and even less tolerance of other people’s views so why waste your time visiting this site?
Bye Bye
Leon you miss the point - there is no need for a “new” association. The present MDGA simply isn’t what it claims to be and would continue as a voluntary association. Of course a new and different association can be formed at any time if that’s what the community chooses. Most suburbs have successful ratepayers associations and I would happily participate in a similar association here.
It’s worth bearing in mind that the SMRC was formed with the related title deed restriction during apartheid when government doctrine didn’t exactly support freedom of association, a concept now enshrined in our Constitution.
Your attitude towards voluntary associations and clubs speaks volumes. Are you seriously only looking out for yourself? The beauty of voluntary organisations is that they attract the right calibre of selfless folk - and it is their conduct which in turn attracts the members. Your kind seems to drive members away…Oct 28, 11:21 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
DingbatTHE WOLD AND THE LAMB from EASOP’S FABLESA wolf met an innocent lamb who had strayed from the fold. The crafty wolf felt rather hungry, but he decided not to kill the lamb immediately; he wanted to find some excuse for making a meal of him. “Lamb’” said the wolf, “last year you rudely insulted me.”
“Indeed,” bleated the lamb sadly, “I was not born then.”
Then the wolf said: “Well, you feed in my pasture.”
“No, good sir,” replied the lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.”
“Is that so!” replied the wolf, getting angry. “But I noticed you drinking at my well.”
“Oh, no,” answered the lamb, “I never yet drank water, for my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.”
At this the wolf seized the lamb saying:
“Well! I won’t remain supperless any longer, even though you deny every one of my accusations.”
The tyrant will always find an excuse for his tyranny.Oct 28, 10:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
KevinTheresa and Leon are doing a fine job by running the club(Theresa has only just joined the committee)If everybody stopped paying their subs the club would die.The kid’s who live in San Marina would have nothing to do and would find other means of entertainment,like practicing their artistic skills on your walls.
I noticed Cathy was having fun at a party at the club the other night,looks like Cathy is also using the facilities and enjoying them.Oct 28, 9:38 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
CathyeI’m also Cathy and would like to know where on earth JT finds the time to write such rubbish. Does he or she not have anything better to do. get real and stop being such an idiot, but like the saying goes “The devil finds work for idle hands”Oct 28, 7:21 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonJT will you and Anita be the founding members of the new association?Will you be giving up your FREE time to run it?What rules will you be putting in place?What more are you prepared to give compared to the current association?I hope less talking and more doing will be happening from your side.Oct 28, 5:30 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonWe are not a registered NPO as yet. I never said we where one either.I am currently busy with it via council. Our constitution only dictates that we operate as an NPO as the clubs objectives is not to make profit. It has not done so yet either.If you are really interest in the financials of SMRC as a non member of SMRC then I suggest that you ask Cathy for it as she being a member of SMRC received the financials prior to our AGM.I will stop my servises immediatly if it becomes voluntary as it would mean that I would not not need to pay and do not need to be concerned about what happens to the voluntary money that you will be receiving. Why give up free time to something that I will not have any benefit out and also have no concern about since I will be doing my own thing without any control form any association.I joined the MDGA committee to see what it is all about since it is easy to sit on the wall and give opinions. A better perspective is achieved that way. Now that I now the how the management is run which in my opinion is hard work to please all. I can start suggesting in a professional manner and not to dignify people via a blog like this one to change the daily running of the MDGA to the time we live in. Maybe accommodate you at the same time.If it is so simple to remove the clause then why is it not published. I am prepared to pay the fees. What is the fees and what is the process.Oct 28, 5:04 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
AnitaAs far as I am concerned, ExCom has failed to supply me with any proof whatsoever that the Association is indeed the Association referred to in my title deed. In my opinion, it is already a voluntary Association and need not be dissolved. The clause in my title deed is a misleading clause which should be declared null and void and can be taken off if and when I sell my house and a new title deed has to be issued to the new owner.For this reason too, it is not an option to have the Association voted out. It can remain as a voluntary Association.May I ask the reason as to why you are not prepared to publish your financials? If you have nothing to hide, why hide it? It would also be of interest to anyone wanting to buy into San Marina in order to establish what their responsibilities would be.Oct 28, 4:49 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtLeon, removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process and if one considers the hefty levies the MDGA had planned for us any associated costs will be comparatively cheap and money well spent in the long run.
Of course you don’t HAVE to publish the AFS on the website, but as a non-profit association there is a public interest element (as a PBO you deprive the fiscus of taxes) and accordingly it would reflect well on you and the SMRC to make them publicly available. What have you got to hide? The AFS of all listed companies are published so why not yours?
As much as we can’t propose a resolution to undo a resolution that was passed unlawfully, we also can’t submit a proposal to undo an association’s unlawful claims to be something it isn’t. To date the MDGA hasn’t been able to properly identify itself as the same association referred to in my title deed. Now that’s a problem.Oct 28, 4:13 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtLeon, I’ve already given you my opinion. But let me elaborate. I believe that residents will readily sign up as members of a voluntary association that respects their individuality & dignity, doesn’t extort money for projects falling outside its Objects, doesn’t bully, intimidate & threaten, doesn’t withhold what should be open records, doesn’t treat its members’ legitimate queries & concerns with (what the Chairman so eloquently describes as) a ‘dismissive approach’ and doesn’t misrepresent facts at every turn.
The MDGA Constitution is an absolute nonsense not least because the MDGA doesn’t see fit to comply with its own voting requirements - as was borne out beyond any doubt at the SAHRC mediation session (the SAHRC issued a report confirming a.o. this very point).
Are you saying that if the MDGA becomes voluntary you and your like will no longer offer your services for free? And now why would that be exactly?Oct 28, 3:41 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonFinancials will never be displayed on any websites.If you are so convince that we do not need an Association why do you not put in a proposal do dissolve it. It can be done if the majority agrees to it. Then a voluntary membership can be put in place.Just one question though is who will be paying to remove the clause out of all the deeds of the 1300 members.Oct 28, 3:05 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
AnitaDear LeonYour apology comes across as insincere, given the sarcasm and feeble excuses. Your comment has not, nor can it be taken out of context. Presumably, Admin has not tampered with it, or else you would have said so. So, one can only assume that the comment was posted at your own request, there for the entire world to see. It must be remembered that it was not only Cathy whom you threatened, but anyone who dare say anything against you. The mere fact that these words even crossed your mind is frightening and must be condemned in the strongest possible terms. Nothing in your comment is more important and no real or perceived violation to your “dignity” warrants a threat of violence.Now to other matters: I have been unable to locate your financial statements on the San Marina website. Could you please direct me to the correct page?Regarding dissolving the Association, Marina Da Gama is certainly not going to turn into a shanty-town just because it no longer has a home-owners’ association to keep it in check. Most of the owners in Marina Da Gama do take pride in their properties and are quite willing and capable of performing regular maintenance without having to be told to do so by the Association. I believe that the Association is doing more harm than good by sending out those letters and know of several people who have postponed already scheduled maintenance as they do not want it to appear to be complying with the Association’s demands. Left to their own devices, they would have just done the maintenance. The MDGA is no more effective than a voluntary association can be. Both have to work through Council or the Courts to enforce the rules.I think that you underestimate the pride which the home-owners have in the Marina but the sense of community is being destroyed by the intimidating nature of its “rulers”.Oct 28, 2:08 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonif the MDGA were voluntary how many members in your opinion would remain members? 0 because it will cost them money and time. Are you volunteeringJulius seems to have taught the bloke well… just say that your comment was taken out of context and you will be fine - This was taken out of context. At least I do not hide behind an aliasOct 28, 1:51 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Mama MiaJulius seems to have taught the bloke well… just say that your comment was taken out of context and you will be fine.Oct 28, 12:59 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtThe answer to your question, Leon, is no, Marina da Gama is and remains zoned a “special area”. Council will not approve building plans that don’t conform with its fairly rigid building regulations nor will it approve houses painted a colour other than white. What will happen when the MDGA is rendered a voluntary association? I think you’ll find that more residents will partake freely in discussions and volunteer their time and expertise, the affairs of the MDGA will become open & transparent and we will (re)gain a healthy sense of community where we can conduct our lives like adults with mutual respect & tolerance. I’m not sure why you’re so worried, though. If the MDGA is as marvellous as you believe, then it will surely retain its membership regardless. Now for a good question you might care to answer: if the MDGA were voluntary how many members in your opinion would remain members? How many are currently paid-up? Of how many in total?Oct 28, 12:27 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonWhen it comes to me being a member of the MDGA commitee. This is my choice. If you want to use it against me that is fine so long it is not personal.Have anyone thought what will happen if the MDGA gets disbanded. Will everyone be allowed to paint their houses any colour and build anything on their property within council rules like a zink shack for a garage. Will we loose the status of being a special area. What happens to the funds and how will it be dished out.After this issue has been won in court what will happen to the Marina. Will we become a normal area around us like Retreat;Steenberg or Vrygrond.What is the main objective after this issue has been resolved. What holds for us in the future.Any comments.Oct 28, 10:41 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
AdminYour comment was not blocked, but was merely awaiting moderation. All comments are screened for profanity and SPAM content. Other than that, you may say what you wish.Oct 28, 8:36 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonShame that the only comment that gets repeated and out of context is that “if you make it personal I will take you out of misery”.The other false statements that is been made does not get mentioned or proven. Truth must hurt. Now you are also attacking her daughter also out of context.The cartoon is well drawn and do depicts me well. I will be using it in our next newsletter and see what responce I get. Maybe I am Robert Mugabe who runs the SMRC like Zimbabwe. Just grab what ever I see and take it for myself. The selfish bastard who only hunts down old defenseless ladies better known as Hitler and Napoleon.Warren I am every weekend at the club. If there is anybody who would like to meet me you are welcome to come down to the club. You will get me there.Maybe then you can see where all that money I take from defenseless old ladies is going too since the financials is also been critisied.On a last note can somebody please ask Cathy not to travel to the other side as I really do not want to be blamed for that.Oct 28, 7:40 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtAs with the MDGA this is not a sectional title scheme with common property. This is enforced membership of a social club. It would be like everyone in Zeekoevlei being forced to subsidise the local yacht club. What happened to freedom of association? The title deed restriction is vague and misleading not to mention archaic. The SMRC owns the R2,5m+ property in its own right and has opened its doors to other sectors of the public at its discretion. Clearly membership of any recreation club that is not part of an enclosed private estate should be voluntary. I have no doubt that the constitutional court would support that principle. Leon, do the right thing and let the little guys go.Oct 28, 6:33 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
Mama MiaThe guy must be a Julius Malema fan. Probably also did not get his matric.Oct 28, 12:39 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
admin“but let it be known to all that if you make this personal I will hunt you down and take you out of your misery like a sick animal”This comment my Leon Lee I find quite disturbing. I myself have ripped off the likes of “Pietie, better known for the headless chicken chairman, Janna Mann our esteemed standards member who”s apparent eye sight is in a serious state of deterioration, and lets not forget our local councilor that absconds from the most basic of duties.
But you Mr Lee to basically threaten who ever stands in your way. Listen take me on, at least face me like a man, Don”t threaten women by intimidation like that!!!
Wonder if you will be so foul mouthed the time I”m finished with you!!WarrenOct 27, 8:26 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
AnitaIs this the Theresa who said “The more members of the committee you meet, the less you will want to fight with them, because as I have realised over the last few months as Secretary, they are very kind and helpful people.” in the “Excom members respond” post?Theresa, do you have any idea what “kind and helpful” means? You attack an elderly lady on the internet, calling her an “idiot” and to “catch a wake up”. You publicly support the SMRC Chairman who tells her that he will hunt her down and take her out of her misery like a sick animal.The Chairman does go on to apologise, but in the same apology he calls her an “imuture”(sic) coward. And then he has the gall to say “so long it is not personal.”!!!! So it’s ok for him to get personal, but anyone trying it on him will be “put out of their misery”?Be careful whom you associate with, Theresa. People do tend to judge you by the company you keep. If Cathy is indeed your mother, Theresa, shame on you!! May your children never turn on you like you turned on their grandmother.Oct 27, 5:57 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtLeon, no offense but what you write doesn’t make any sense.You can choose to be a member of the MDGA? The rest of us are being told that we have to belong. What do you know that we don’t?If the MDGA affair reaches the High Court I will still present your representations as evidence that you are unfit to hold a position of trust. I’m afraid your loony ranting this morning can’t simply be written off with an ‘oops I’m sorry I didn’t mean it’. The damage has been done.Not wanting to get personal, I trust you understand the full implications of your threat?Oct 27, 5:43 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
leonI might have taken things a bit seriously this morning therefore I apologize.I do not like it when allegations and statements is thrown around in the world wide web when it is untrue and unfounded.The club has an open door policy and all info is readily available via the website. It is availible to all paid up members too.It is people like Cathy that starts rumours then hides behind everyone else when the time of explaining needs to be done. I do not like it when the club’s reputation is been damaged by imuture people who do not have the courage to come to the AGM and voice their opinion. They send their followers.When it comes to me being a member of the MDGA. This is my choice. If you want to use it against me that is fine so long it is not personal.That is all I have to say.Oct 27, 4:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
AnitaSan Marina Recreational Club seems to have its own little Robert Mugabe. Saying things like “I will hunt you down and take you out of your misery like a sick animal” could land Mr. Lee in big trouble, as, should anything happen to Cathy in the mean time, he could be held directly responsible. I would suggest that Cathy (and anyone dealing with the San Marina matter) immediately get a restraining order against Mr Lee.
If Mr. Lee wants to protect his “dignity”, he should refrain from using bad language and threats. No-one could have injured his “dignity” as much as he himself has done with this comment.
Doing a job for “free” does not give you licence to abuse.Oct 27, 4:19 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
jtCome on, Leon, calling everything written on this website cr*p is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, don’t you think? Most of what is written about the MDGA (of which you are an Excom member) is true - as for ‘your’ SMRC I really wouldn’t know, but sincerely hope it’s not a case of same old same old.You’re going to hunt people down to take them out their misery like sick animals? Well, now THAT’s positively psycho (I’m not surprised people like Cathy haven’t approached you!). If the MDGA saga ends up in the High Court I’d present your representations as evidence of your unsuitability to hold a position, ANY position, of trust. Is this how you intend sorting out those “bitter-einder” MDGA members now that the Chairman is moving on to greener pastures? Because if so, then you’re seriously misjudging the situation.Have a nice day Oct 27, 2:52 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
TheresaHello Cathy
Where will I go and play tennis and swim in Summer if you close down the club? It is only R50 per month for me to enjoy all the facilities there as I cannot afford to buy a house with a tennis court and pool and myself and my family have so much fun there? Why do you want to spoil things for the people that are enjoying the club?
TheresaOct 27, 12:26 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
TheresaCathy was complaining about the standards in San Marina. After years of trying to get people to comply, fining people was suggested. If you have a better idea I suggest you bring it up at the AGM. If you don’t trust Excom, why don’t you join and see for yourself. Instead of wasting all your time and energy getting more bitter and twisted about the situation you find yourself in, why not do something positive in your community? Talking of idiots - Did you guys not read your title deeds when you moved in here? Catch a wake up!Oct 27, 9:55 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
leonGood morning
I am glad to see that I am been talked about. That means I am doing my job as the Chairman of San Marina. I encourage in what you are doing as it must be hard to get those signatures.I have no problem people attacking me as the Chairman of the club but let it be known to all that if you make this personal I will hunt you down and take you out of your misery like a sick animal.I encourage all to question any activity that happens at the club including financials. If you feel that there was financial gain by anyone then I encourage you to request the financials which was given to you via the auditors. Before making allegations make sure your facts are in order as I am prepared to protect my dignity to the full extent.When it comes to the decision making of the club it is up to the commitee to decide on behalf of yourself since you have no interest in it. Do not judge them as they are giving up their time for FREE to cater for your needs.With regard to the R5 per child using the pool. I do not know who told you this as it is false. No money has been taken from anyone in the last year and a half since I have been on the commitee. If it is happening then I need to know so that I can take legal action.With regard to the wall. This was a legal mandate that we had to do but since you are not a tennis player how can this bother you. In actaul fact you are the only only who ever complained about it. Everyone is quite inpressed with it.Again I say that if you have an issue with me then be brave enough to confront me face to face and not like a coward who has nothing better than the write crap like this on blogs.This will probaly never be displayed as I am prepared to stand up for my commitee and the property I own namely San Marina Recreational Club.
ROBBIEthank you very much for your comments,i’m still fighting every single day for justice and will continue. i wonder if you are one of the policeman whom was across the road at pick n pay one night when my dog had bitten a guy who was trying to steal the flag poles?????Oct 15, 11:47 PM — Cries for Help Ignored
jtyou may not be, but clearly we do have idiots among us. these guys truly believe that they have the right to hold sway over the rest of us and will stop at nothing to teach us a lesson for not acting & thinking like them. we’re in the midst of a global meltdown (a breeze has tipped the proverbial stack of cards) and these folk are still obsessing about their property prices falling due to the spot of mouldy paint next door. sad people sad…
not far off is the City of CT’s solution to anti-social behaviour: …fine those damn begging bastards for hanging around street corners, laundry blowing in the wind next to the freeway, and peeing in public… now uh duh hallo - if people are homeless, unemployed, displaced etc how on earth do you expect them to pay fine upon fine upon fine????? talk about taking food out of mouths. City of CT, you may need more money in the coffers to pay for the stadium but please go back to the drawing board on this one!Oct 15, 8:05 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
Ex Policeman. 2I also used to work at Muizenberg Police Station and now also live in the U.K!
Is this surprising from the current Policing Proffesional….NO!!!!
We can make all kinds of excuses for the police in todays climate but the underlying truth is they joined the police to protect and serve? Unfortunately this does not take place anymore.
I agree with all that was said in the previous posting (Ex policeman said,).It is generally mentioned that poorly performing police officers are generally corrupt………… read between the lines.When I was serving at Muizenberg then,it was common knowledge amoungst the permanent staff that certain inapproapriate activities were taking place, how it all gets covered up and even at the highest level.I still get to hear what is happening at Muizenberg from a very reliable source, the only difference between my time and now..is that its gotten worse.
As for those policeman mentioned in yr article, I also knew and worked with most of them and honestly I would not put my trust in them.This is only the tip of the iceberg, if only the truth could be told!I am almost sure Ex policeman and myself served together and if im correct this truth about Muizenberg police members would be causing you a moral delema as to expose or remain silent and secretive in yr knowledge!I am so sorry.Thankfully the likes of the Mountain Men are around. Yes ask them they have answers for you!
jtOn a more serious note, it’s quite shameful that the Chairman either disregards or doesn’t understand his fiduciary duties towards his members. The Chairman’s Report is a formal report in which the Chairman is called to account to the members on association business. Instead our Chairman uses the AGM and this Report to name drop, blow his own horn, tell jokes and call people names - all in decidedly poor taste. Mr Chairman, we don’t care that you are so involved in various charities (as you’ve been rubbing in our faces AD NAUSEUM), have been appointed Chairman of the Muizenburg Historical Society (clearly another job nobody wants) and are bosom buddies with our local ward councillor. Why don’t you just practice what you preach, commit yourself to a charity full-time and go about your business quietly and with dignity?Oct 9, 10:47 AM — (Pietie)Chairmans report
adminJT now that’s putting it bluntly.Damn good point. Unfortunately this chairman is quite thick skinned along with his Excom goons thus quite doubtful he will get the point.Oct 2, 7:54 PM — Do you smell that!
jtHa ha ha ha Mr Chairman, I must hand it to. I haven’t laughed so heartily for a long time. I of course refer to your little story about Jimmy & Sally in your Chairman’s Report to be presented at the Nov 2008 AGM (available at www.mdga.co.za for those who haven’t seen it). I, too, have a little story…“A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.
Morals of the story:
1) Not everyone who sh*ts on you is your enemy.
2) Not everyone who gets you out of sh*t is your friend.
3) And when you’re in deep sh*t, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!Oct 2, 3:35 PM — Do you smell that!
WallyIt would be impossible for the ExCom members to clean up their mess. I do find it hillarious though that they are now scouting around for suitable candidates. Who do they think they are? ExCom members are supposed to be voted in, not recruited beforehand by an incompetent outgoing committee.
Any idiot who will vote yes to fining ourselves must have his/her head read. I will never give these arrogant bozoes the right to fine me. Do they think I am an idiot?Sep 20, 11:07 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
jtthe pothole slap bang in the middle of the road that runs along the railway line near the Lakeside crossing is turning into a crater. i’ve often wondered why it is that over the years the Council seem incapable of fixing this hole. all the ‘plugs’ shoved in there take a month or two to unplug themselves each time leaving a slightly bigger hole than before. the cost of the man hours and materials poured into just that one bottomless pit alone must have reached ridiculous figures by now. why is it not possible to retar that particular strip of road to fix it once and for all? this situation has been going on since i moved here in 2003 and probably started long before that. a small hole has turned into a dangerous crater. did i mention that it’s on a sharp bend? this is a very popular road which i’m sure our Ward Councillor must use regularly himself (unless he takes another route to avoid the pothole of course) but really is it too much trouble to ensure that it is fixed properly and that our rates & taxes are not wasted? after all there must be SOMEONE in the City of Cape Town who knows how to fix a pothole.Sep 20, 8:34 AM — Potholes
JamesHi, I found your blog on this new directory of WordPress Blogs at blackhatbootcamp.com/listofwordpressblogs. I dont know how your blog came up, must have been a typo, i duno. Anyways, I just clicked it and here I am. Your blog looks good. Have a nice day. James.Sep 19, 11:41 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
jtThe Chairman (by his own account ex DELOITTE & TOUCHE!!) in his August newsletter (refer www.mdga.co.za) advises that ‘they’ wish to implement a system of fines to bring wayward members into line and more importantly to AVOID High Court Action they believe is required to enforce building standards. Surely taking steps to effectively deny a member his day in Court is a deliberate attempt to defeat the ends of justice? Not to mention the unlawfulness of trying to collect yet more monies from members in the form of fines via a Magistrates Court instead of resorting to the ARBITRATION provisions in its own CONSTITUTION. This is not a private estate a la Silverhurst - this is a public suburb like any other where Council and not the MDGA approve building plans. The MDGA with a voluntary (could be dodgy Roger for all we know) Excom is merely afforded the option of lodging objections with Council within a limited time period for Council’s CONSIDERATION.
What do the Excom think they’re doing proposing yet further highly controversial amendments to the constitution on the eve of their departure anyway? Or is this just a desperate scramble to source funds to meet their cashflow requirements? Perhaps members are not paying the subs that were approved without a budget? Or do they want the new Excom to have the means to punish their ‘enemies’? How childish and short-sighted. The Excom STILL over a period of MANY YEARS hasn’t managed to secure the community’s support for the implementation of a Marina-Wide Security Scheme yet they refuse to undo the ridiculous 2006 amendments they contrived - have they lost touch with reality to such an extent they can’t see that they’re chasing rainbows? Exceeding their authority at every turn and infringing on people’s property rights in the process… Do these people have no conscience or are they just blinded by their own stupidity?
THIS ASSOCIATION IS DEFUNCT AND IT IS HIGH TIME THAT THE MDGA EXCOM HOST AN OPEN FORUM WITH THE NECESSARY PROFESSIONALS IN ATTENDANCE TO ADDRESS ALL MEMBERS’ QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS - IN THE INTERESTS OF TRANSPARENCY AND JUSTICE. WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN DONE? WHY DOES THE MDGA REFUSE TO DO THIS? THE ASSOCIATION’S ATTORNEYS AND AUDITOR (BOTH OF WHOM HAVE SERVED THE MDGA FOR APPROX. 20 YRS) SHOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE OF THEIR TIME FOR THIS PURPOSE - WHY NOT? WHAT QUESTIONS DO THEY NOT WANT TO HAVE TO ANSWER? WHY CAN’T MEMBERS SEE THE RECORDS AND CORRESPONDENCE WITH ITS LEGAL ADVISORS & AUDITOR? The Excom have been bleating more recently that the association belongs to the members - yeah right. Why do they persist in flouting their own Constitution and continue to keep the records under lock and key??????Sep 16, 8:14 AM — You Strike a Woman, You Strike a Rock
jtthe Thai premier has had to resign because he gave some cooking lessons - a message in there somewhere perhaps for the mdga executive? they would do well to try understand the underlying issue re the Thai premier - that certain conduct is not acceptable when you hold a position of trust…Sep 9, 4:36 PM — Above the Law?
adminDefinition of Political Correctness: A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority,and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous Marina Association and other non-inquiring members, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.Sep 7, 9:20 AM — Above the Law?
adminTo know the truth when it is not fashionable is hard. To tell the truth when it is illegal is even harder. Come on Mr Qually how about quacking a backbone and do something for your ward.Sep 7, 9:14 AM — Potholes
TLI actually prefer the white.
Multi-colours would take away part of the uniqueness that is the Marina. It would look like any ordinary residential area (water aside). Also, as far as maintenance goes, residents who aren’t properly maintaining their property now, aren’t going to maintain it any better just because it’s a different colour. In fact, it could end up looking terribly messy after a few years.
And as far as nature being wrong goes??? A rainbow is muli-coloured, yes, but, the sky is blue, clouds are white, grass is green, the ocean blue… each in their own place to make up this wonderful world we live in… (I don’t think I’d quite like a multi-colour sky, ocean, clouds…)Aug 26, 2:15 PM — A Colourful Marina?
OlafGracias. Beautiful site. I’ll become your regular reader.Aug 25, 10:36 AM — Protected house? Really?
jta member of Excom serves as debt collector for the association? uh hallo conflict of interest?
i have specifically requested details of related party payments - alas the mdga/excom refuse to comment.
we’re still denied access to the association’s records contrary to the mdga’s constitution (which you can now view in all its discriminatory glory on the mdga website). why?
the appointment of this debt collector, the related party relationship and its contractual terms & conditions should have been formally approved by members at an agm, and should have been reassessed at each subsequent agm as part of the budget process - with comparative quotes of course.
as for the subscription now being demanded of us, i didn’t receive the proposed amendments before the agm (after I’d requested this timeously) and the new subscription was approved without any budget.
excom maintained at the sahrc mediation session that subs are not intended for postage & stamps. so i ask with tears in my eyes why must i pay money to an association that can not or will not produce a detailed budget with full disclosure at the appropriate time and has little appreciation for the fact that postage & stamps is one of the MAIN reasons for raising subs?
why should i contribute to the mdga’s coffers when excom maintained at the same sahrc mediation that a mere 2/3’s constitutional vote is STILL all that is required to kick-start the exorbitant levies and marina-wide security scheme? a legal opinion holds that a reasonable interpretation of the preface page to its amended constitution is that 90% of ALL MEMBERS must VOTE in favour of any proposed levy/security scheme (take a look and see for yourself).
worried about being sued for subs? not at all.
concerned about an association that doesn’t understand and abide by it’s own constitution? absolutely.Aug 20, 3:50 PM — Letters of Demand
MelI find it hillarious that the public is being protected from water bordering on public area. Who thought upt this particular load of garbage? For goodness sakes, who do they think they are fooling? It is criminal that public open spaces are thus annexed. I think JT got it right. Why should anyone please explain to Richard Gie why they want to use this area.Mr. Qually, what are you going to do about it?Jul 30, 1:42 AM — Marina Da Gama - a Little Zimbabwe?
jtBut isn’t that Richard Gie’s house? So let me get this straight - if I want to picnic and let the kiddies put a canoe in the water I must knock on HIS door to get the key? What if he isn’t home? Forget about the association - they’re closed on weekends. But why must anyone explain themselves to Richard Gie or the association when it comes to public-use Council property? More importantly what about those off-water properties that enjoy rights of access to the water across these erven in terms of their title deeds?????? Did Council approve this? Were all affected properties formally notified before their property rights were unilaterally negated? What says the Ward Councillor who lives down the road? Or is he too biased to take a stand? Who is going to compensate those property owners for the loss in value when they sell their homes minus the attaching water access rights that must carry some value?
For those in the dark, Marina da Gama is not an enclosed priv
Hi. This is Cathy, the original one.
Leon, I, like some of the others on this site, am absolutely terrified of my own safety and therefore I feel I cannot attend your meetings. I would not feel safe.
I take your threat very seriously and will take the matter further.
Love
Cathy
(Also known as the Lamb Chop)
Oct 31, 11:07 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
No Cathye - I love a good challenge - but about the issue at hand. If we’re discussing apples don’t start talking about grapefruit and quoting dumb-ass sayings that are of no relevance. I don’t care if Leon is Chairman. Doesn’t bother me in the least. It’s the compulsory membership of what is a social club that is the rub. The underlying principle conflicts with the freedoms enshrined in the constitution of this country. Get it? The MDGA issue is too complex for you to understand.
Now run along and go play nicely at the club. Take Peter with you.
Oct 31, 8:35 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
JT, you and your cronies would like to call the shots and when someone challenges you, you dislike it. I realise though, that you have nothing better to do with your pathetic life. Seeing that this issue is with Leon, he is doing a fine job as he is always busy at the club house with NO PAY and should be admired for that. Why don’t you become Chairman ? seeing that you have so much to say.Also, you obviously have a lot of time, please offer your services.
Oct 31, 8:09 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
Leon, on a more serious note, seeing as this is my last post for the week (now watch those blinking ads reappear…) good luck for Monday’s MDGA AGM.
I have no doubt you will get reappointed onto the executive as there won’t be enough volunteers to warrant holding a vote. So you’re in already. Congratulations!
All differences aside, I salute you for going where no tyrant chairman has gone before and entering into a dialogue on this website with ‘headless chickens’ and ‘bitter einders’. It’s a start and for that reason alone, I hope your fellow excom members vote you in as Chairman. In fact, you should insist on it. Just give them a piece of your mind and demand your rightful place and I’m sure they’ll go for it. May the force be with you!!
Oct 31, 7:31 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
My!My!My!I got me a grade 4 and me mum made it to 3 all while we’s 5 of us lived in a wee little house. My!!My!!My!!I got me to grade 2 and me dad well he was in special school and me, mum, dad, gramps and me 5 brudders had to live in a one-woom wendy house.My!!!My!!!My!!!You so lucky you wouldna know it. I remember playschool and me mum saying lucky we were, me ma didna go to school as for dad he was taught by me gramps in the dark widda lantern. Me dad, gramps, gramma & his 10 brudders & sistas lived all together in a shoebox…
Oct 31, 7:20 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
Leon, what you are complaining about is a drop in the ocean. Let me make your nightmare even worse. Rand-wise there is just as much if not more grossly under-valued luxury and commercial property which you are also subsidising with your taxes. Chances are the little plots over the way are too small to attract rates to any meaningful extent. As I said before, you get the same benefit so stop whining. Personally I am more than happy to pay taxes so long as officialdom don’t steal it. Instead of eating colleagues for lunch you should read the papers. There are so many people out of work because there simply aren’t enough jobs to go around. Be thankful for small mercies Leon. We don’t have to share jobs yet but don’t think it won’t ever happen. You could end up sharing a whole lot more than you bargained for so get with the programme and stop being so self-centred. Ubuntu!
Oct 31, 7:00 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
No Peter, so far it’s just you & Cathye that are bleating on about completely irrelevant twaddle. You’re like those irritating ads on telly that interrupt the movie just at that crucial nail biting moment. The ads have every right to feature on the telly of course & sure there must be some folk who enjoy watching them. Not me tho’. Now why do you think anyone would be remotely interested in your school grades??? What has that got to do with anything? Seems you have self-esteem issues and no sense of humour. Cathy sounds off like one of those kids who pulls wings off flies & gets excited when a fight breaks out in the schoolyard - as she can’t wait to join in.
As for meeting with Leon quite frankly I’d be too scared to go anywhere near the guy. Power has gone to his head. Wait for when he’s Chairman of the MDGA too - we’ll all be living in the Republic of MDG governed by Lord Leon.
Now why don’t you & Cathye tootle off and go compare school grades with your friends. Must make for fascinating conversation.
(please take Leon to look at the post above from your NH Watch - seems altruistic volunteerism can work even in your own neighbourhood)
Oct 31, 6:48 AM — San Marina resi
Slow down, you are tripping over your own feet. Remember, the valuation roll is available - for free - on the internet. Your house is valued at R926 000,00 and not at R1.5 mil.
And don’t you dare call me a freeloader. I,together with many other members of this community, have spent many hours and a lot of money - our own money, not money extorted form the community - on fighting a situation that is inherently unjust and prejudicial. We have not done this for financial gain, but because we believe that it is in the best interest of the community at large.
I have not just sat on the sideline, expecting others to do work for me. Quite the contrary. This situation, foisted on us by greed, has caused me, for more than 2 years, to make it my mission to help the community. It has almost been a full-time job. And I have done it free of charge and with no expectation of any financial compensation whatsoever. I only did it because I feel it is the right thing to do.
So climb off your high horse, mister. You have already advised everyone that you have no such philanthropic ideals and that you do what you do because you find some kind of gain therefrom.
Oct 30, 9:12 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
This was all thanks to Leon Lee. Did this spineless weasel ever think a little further than his arrogant self? Just maybe these people who had their worldly goods attached had no job, had children to feed, were on the verge of loosing their house or flat perhaps? Did this little man ever think of the consequences of his actions and perhaps precarious situation some of these people were in!!!
My God Lee don’t you ever think before taking actions like this?? What I think or presume is that you possibly work for a large corporation; maybe your exceptional skills have not been recognized and due to being the underdog with no recognition, you feel the need to explore avenues to vent.
With this being the scenario, it would make sense that you need to bully, threaten and attempt to manipulate for your own vanity and arrogance.
I guess that prats, with little or no common decency towards their fellow man, need to feel important and authoritative.
Warren
Oct 30, 8:39 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
WARNING:Ease up on threatening residents. I did not appreciate your above comment in the least. Against my better judgment it was posted. It seems you take much joy in creating further misery/hardship for some residents without knowing their current financial constraints, while you laugh.
Warren
Oct 30, 7:59 PM — Hunting Season is Open
I pay for rates on a 1,5 mil rand house. Go across the street and you pay nothing.
I pay extra on my water to give to the under privilege that sit at home - to lazy to get a job. Go across the street and you pay nothing as the tap is a communal one that can run the whole day.
I pay high consumption on my electricity - pay penalties on it so that I can support the bonuses for the managers of Eskom. Go across the road you get supplied with electricity (part of self development done by government)- get rebate and get concession.
All of this 200 meters away from my house.
Yes I have an issue with free loaders.
Sounds just like the MDGA. They work for the people - get criticized while doing free work for the free loaders. All the while the free loaders sitting on the fence giving comments loader
Oct 30, 7:55 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
The question should be why do I catch Cathy there every weekend enjoying the facilities. She did say that the tennis balls goes under her feet after it bounces of the wall.
I think secretly she loves the place now since it looks like a club but can not show it in front of her close friends.
She was the biggest opposer for a long time.
Cathy will I see you there again this weekend specially by the bring and braai that the neighborhood watch has arranged.
What about by the FAIR that is happening on the 6 Dec 2008.
Come on Cathy just admit it. The club is for you. We still accept you with open arms.
Oct 30, 7:31 PM — Hunting Season is Open
A big surprise is coming their way this Xmas. Shame that all that nice Xmas gifts will have to be pawned at cash crusaders. Legal fees do not come cheap. Luckily the club do not pay any.
Imagine I could get commission for all the hand overs that I have done so far. Could go to the Kruger park and practice my hunting skills.
By the end of Jan 09 is should be close to 100% as subs are charged in advance.
Maybe one or two die hards will still be around.
Tuff meat takes long to soften up. No chewing required though - only swallowing will take place.
Oct 30, 7:24 PM — Hunting Season is Open
Oct 30, 6:22 PM — Hunting Season is Open
Well that depends if you are up to date with your subs or not. The answers are obvious.
Oct 30, 6:16 PM — Hunting Season is Open
Please note that this function has nothing to do with the S.M.R.C. apart from them allowing us to use the hall free of charge (It seems that they are not that bad after all!). This invitation is open to all residents whether you are in arrears or not towards the S.M.R.C.
Oct 30, 5:59 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
I thought that a blog is for anyone with an interest in the subject to leave a comment. Then again it appears that I am not as educated as you are far as using a bolg is concerned. My apologies. I only got as far as Std 4 (Grade 6) in school. I wasn’t allowed to go any further as my father failed Std 5 in the same school!!!
Oct 30, 5:32 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Everybody is entitled to a free quota of electricity & water, yourself included. And if you study your rates bill you will see that you also enjoy a rebate on your property rates.Oct 30, 3:32 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
With regard to Vrygrond - do you like that place. Are you prepared to stay there. You will get free electricity ; water and rates. Is that not what you wanted. Everything for FREE and on a platter. Maybe a free house to if you can confince council to give it to you. If not just grap some land. Just say it was your anscieters land.
all this kindly sponsored by the rate payer.
Oct 30, 1:18 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
Regarding the SMRC property, you’d better make that 267 because the title deed in front of me says sweet fanny adams about ownership. You should check them all, Leon - who knows, perhaps you are the sole owner! Imagine that, you’d be an instant millionnaire.
The Deeds Office may not register associations, Leon, but they do need to be notified of amendments to names of associations mentioned in title deed restrictions. Why? So that when someone buys a property they know what they’re buying. Where does one go to establish the details of and other incumbrances attaching to a title deed restriction? Yes my boy, the Deeds Office. And you’re quite right, they have no record of the Marina Da Gama Association.Oct 30, 12:27 PM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
As regards volunteers and voluntary associations, you really should have more faith in your fellow man. Did you have a bad childhood experience that makes you so negative and distrustful of the community in which you live? As for Vrygrond and other neighbouring communities, where do you get off being so insulting and derogatory?
When co-opted onto the MDGA Excom were you not made to sign a confidentiality agreement? Is the Chairman aware that you’re blabbering away over here? There was a time when he didn’t tolerate Excom members stepping out of line like this - ask the others. One squeak on this site nearly saw their hands cut off.
In normal circumstances, I’d say the odds of your getting fired before Monday are excellent - 10:1 - but you’re in luck as the Chairman is desperate to hand over to someone who will make him seem comparatively harmless. I think you fit the bill
With the info you have given me so far it wont be long before we will have a special area called Vrygrond extension with an Association that do not really work for you as they have no power over you or any rights - who will be on a volunteer basis - and for free.
Keep up the good work. I can not wait for that day.
Oct 30, 11:26 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
My cut feeling says that you stay in San Marina as you know a few things that other people do not know. Where you at the AGM?
I also have a feeling that you stay alone - to play around on a PC 12 pm at night . No one to play with - physically?? Or do you enjoy being in front of the PC.
The virtual world is not real. I hope you realise that.
Oct 30, 10:52 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
If the “little guys” cannot afford R50 per month may I suggest that they sell their property to someone who will appreciate having the use of the club’s facilities and move across the road into a shack along with our Vrygrond neighbours. Just think you wont have to pay for rates, water or any other levies, most of all the princely sum of R50 p.m. to S.M.R.C. Electricity may be a problem. Jt, are you one of the “little guys”?Cathy, while you are going about with your petition, why not draw one up to present to the City of Cape Town objecting to paying for rates, water, electricity etc. Or even better, petition Mr Trevor Manuel objecting to the payment of income tax. Now there’s a good idea!Oct 30, 10:12 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
And does your title deed really say that you ‘own’ the SMRC?Oct 30, 9:22 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
What happens to the money.
If they have no power to inplement anything why should they waste their time by volunteering for something that has no real meaning. It is only a name then.
Oct 30, 9:14 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
People have lost the urge to do what needs to be done. maybe because of the financial pinch or just plainly dont care attitude.
Now what?
Do the MDGA ask to have that repaired or do they leave it. If they ask they are then told they are dictators. If they leave it then it becomes worse to the point of no return. Start to look like Vrygrond.
We all know that if you ask council to intervene you are asking for a miracle.
Oct 30, 9:01 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
Council by-laws prevent you from having your grass any length you want or having an old rust-bucket on the street.
If the Association want to force people to do anything, they have to do so through Council or the Courts, just like a voluntary ratepayers’ association.
My question is… Why do you think everything will fall apart if we don’t have bullies around? Why should Marina Da Gama start looking like Vrygrond? What about Tokai, Constantia, Kirstenhoff etc. They don’t have home-owners’ associations bullying them and people do seem to look after their properties there. Do you really believe that the people of Marina Da Gama have less pride in their properties?
Oct 30, 8:44 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
Look at at Tony who shot his family due to outside pressure.
Oct 30, 8:11 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
The new one which be in place will be voluntary. Will have no power over you. You can paint your house any colour - in my case I like purple. Do not need aproval from the commitee to put up my double garage made of zink plate as council do approve it - harsh financial times these days. My grass can grow to the lengh I want and my vehicle that was written off and rusting away can park in fron of my house. You will save a whole R170 a year and the area will then really become a special area. Can you imagine the rainbow colour houses we will have instead of that bright white.
I think we should vote on the new constitution. It sounds very democratic and open minded. I do not say this in a sarcastic manner because I feel strongly to the freedom of choice. Why should I be dictated by a few who has no real interest in my needs. That little clause I have will also have no meaning to me.
If this what the people want then it should be done and put in place. The members should have the right to freedom of choice.
If admin will allow it I would like to have a new forum opened up on this website. It will display both sides of the story and open it up for discussion.
Oct 30, 7:54 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
Glad to see a new forum was opened up.
It was my intention that when I use any content it will be credited to those who created it.
Oct 30, 7:32 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
This is a small community of Marina da Gama know as San Marina and have nothing to do with the other side of the boundry and maybe as a community we could solve this problem like adults and stop acting like children who can’t get their way and throw tantrums.
For those who would like to belong to the recreational club be my guest, but please stop forcing the situation on to others who do not want that, some of us have our own swimming pools and braai facilities, and as for the tennis court here is a suggestion why not charge a booking fee for the court and then those who wish to use them can do so.
Here a thought, sports clubs or recreational clubs etc do not force you to become a member you have freedom of choice and not verbally attacked and forced to become a member, and as for attaching furniture and threatening people is no way to act, Leon do you have small peoples syndrome, because you cannot get your way you get arrogant and abusive…… NOT GOOD for your reputation which has gone down the tubes by 150% in some of our eyes.
We have our own recreation for where we stay and we pay for that, NOW WHY would we want to pay for something else aswell. As for your comment on knowing about the club in the deed, there are some people that were not informed and were phoned by the club and told that if they did not belong then their transfere would not go through, that to me is blackmail and down right rude. Some people never knew about the club and just got accounts, no-one came to visit the new owners and explain the situation and introduce themselves, so i ask you “why do you think you are getting this reaction from some people” in the small community who just want to have peace and do what they want to do, not what OTHERS want them to do.
And as for Theresa and her rude comments about her mother what example are you setting for your children….. I WONDER, you can be part of the club if you so wish but leave some of us alone.
I hope in your brains you can understand, as I think a 4 yr old would understand and act better about the situation than you lot are, you are like a bunch of spoilt children, if you do not get your way then bully everyone, that does not work, as bullies get put on the back burner and no-one wants to be associated with bullies, not how things work.
So try to be a bit more polite and accomodating to the situation and see if there is a way around this by Helping some of us in this small community and not bullying and harrasing those of us who would like to get on with our lives and not be part of this petty situation.
Oct 30, 6:51 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
“Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.”
Asked and answered. Many, many, many times already. Besides, ExCom must produce the proof that the Association is legal. You are the ones making demands on us. As per the above, the Association is not illegal, but has no legal constitution. It also does not have the right to demand membership from us. I can however assure you that some of the actions of its ExCom members are very dicey indeed. For instance, it is illegal to incite members or threaten people with violence.
“Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???”
Asked and answered. You cannot “vote out” something which was unlawfully “voted in”. You cannot legally change a constitution which has not been legally enacted to start with. Voting on the matter would be a waste of effort and time.
“These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???”
I have already gone to considerable effort to answer your questions.
“Do you have your facts in order?”
Yes.
Oct 29, 6:55 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
(Not only have you lost the plot, you’re not even on the same page.)
Leon, take a break. You’re starting to sound seriously loony. I know I said this site has good entertainment value, but that doesn’t make it the entertainment channel. Although I must concede that you are the star of the show. Let us know tomorrow what’s in your title deed ok? Maybe we all learn something new…
Peter, if it’s so cheap then why don’t the guys who use the club offer to pay a market related subscription and free the litte guys who don’t use the facilities and for whom it’s perhaps not such good value? Forcing people to belong to a social club is archaic. In fact, if you levy a slightly higher entrance fee for visitors and structure the SMRC along proper NPO lines (to secure the property rates rebate Leon’s trying to wangle) you’ll more than compensate for the few missing R50’s from the little guys. You know, think outside the box, take a look around, see how similar clubs manage their affairs, get creative. Look & learn. If we respect our differences, individuality, right to choose and the principle of freedom of association we’ll all get along just fine. I promise.
I find it truly mind blowing that we still have groups of people who feel the need to dominate others. For what? Oh yes, of course, it’s the money…Oct 29, 6:12 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Ask the members to comment on this site.
Let see
Oct 29, 4:47 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.
Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???
These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???
Do you have your facts in order?
With regard to the name change. I do not know when it was done but will find out. Just like the MDGA the SMRC have a right to change its name. Same rules still apply as per the deeds office. I queried the name change of the MDGA by them.
Oct 29, 4:38 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Let’s see what R50 can buy. 2 packets of cigarettes, 12 beers, 7 loaves of bread, a little more than 5 litres of petrol, etc. etc. etc. In other words not very much these days! For my R50 per month my family and I get to use the swimming pool, tennis court, play park for my child and the braai area. If I just had to use the municipal swimming pool in Muizenberg alone then I would have to travel 7 km. there and back and pay R33 (R13 per adult and R7 per child)each time my wife, my daughter and I wanted to swim. That equates to no more than one swim per month for my family for my R50!! Go to any tennis club and see what it will cost to hire a tennis court.
Cathy please advise how many of the 80 signatures you have are in arrears with their subs and who are from Fairlake. Be precise and give exact figures and don’t generalise. Why have only certain households been approached to sign the petition? No one has called on me - Coincidence!!
I have been a member of SMRC for almost 10 years (and served on the committee under 4 different chairpersons) and have never been arrears with my subs therefore I don’t have an issue with the club. It is my opinion that the signatories on the petition are made up mainly of those who are in arrears and are looking for a way not to pay or those form Fairlake who, I heard, were told by a certain person/s “Don’t pay, they can’t do anything to you”. Well, the news is you are legally bound as per your Deed of Sale or Deed of Transfer which you signed or was signed on your behalf by the transferring attorneys when you bought your property. If you did not like the conditions then why did you purchase property in San Marina in the first place? Don’t say that you didn’t know as ignorance is no excuse.
As for as the “hideous” wall is concerned, well it is a matter of personal opinion. Cathy, I am sure that I would find something hideous (in my opinion) on your property and the same for you on mine.
Leon, you are doing a great job in recovering the outstanding fees form the defaulters and “free-loaders”. Keep up the good work!!Oct 29, 4:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
So perhaps you mean to do well and tell ‘the truth’ but facts are facts and your truth isn’t necessarily the truth. Incidentally this title deed here refers to the San Marina Sports Club - when did it change its name?Oct 29, 1:57 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Still, the function of a chairman is not to be a bully or a debt collector and there is no reason to become personal or threatening. If the people don’t pay, let the law take its course. The courts are better equipped to handle these matters, and they do not tell debtors that they are spineless idiots blah, blah, blah. Then Leon can get on with running the club in a professional manner. Who knows, maybe if the club was run in a friendly way, more people will want to use it and pay their levies willingly without having to be sued.Oct 29, 1:39 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
All what was achieved so far is that you have them taken to the SAHRC. Now what. Did the SAHRC have autority to declare the Association as ilegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.
Then you should be free of maybe me. I might consider the Pietie post. Will see how it goes at the AGM. You never know. It is also so much fun on this blog. All these intelegtial questions and ………(still waiting on the answers)
Questions stays unanswered. Why???
With regard to my anger management. I am working on it. I started yesterday. A whole day without outburst. A great achievement for me.
Oct 29, 1:03 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Viva Leon VivaOct 29, 12:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Lastly I do not threaten people. I just loose my temper now and then specially when people talk because talking is nice. Then I take my frustration out on blogs like these ones.
I am actaully a calm and quite person.
Oct 29, 10:58 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
You were sleeping last night while I was at my computer? Gee now there’s a thought. Now why am I not surprised that you switch on your computer when you want to talk to someone? I pick up the phone…
As an excom member of 2 associations it would be in your and your members’ best interests to consult your attorneys…after all they’d be best placed to explain these things to you in a way that you’d be able to understand.
Are you saying that SMRC information is only made available to paid-up members? You might want to bounce that one off your attorneys as well.
Come on, lighten up Leon you’re taking this website way too personally. At least your colleagues appreciate its entertainment value - hi guys
Has any of you bloggers been to the club recently or are you just assuming that SMRC is like the MDGA - a little Zimbabwe. Just do not forget to come via someone who has an ID card.
I am trying my best to keep foreigners out and exploiting the rights of others.
Oct 29, 10:35 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
2) So, as this is not the Association referred to in my title deed, I do not have to belong. No legal Eastlake Association (an association without a legal constitution is no legal association) was ever formed and the title deed restriction is therefore just a nonsense clause.
3) It therefore follows that the Association cannot sue me for levies/ subscriptions or whatever, as there is no binding contract between us.Should you have any contradictory evidence, please let us have it as a matter of extreme urgency, as your failure to do so, may have serious legal implications. If you do not have any other evidence, the Association’s rightful place is as a voluntary association, and I will have no business putting a resolution forward to dissolve it, as I am no longer a member.Oct 29, 10:05 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
Can I suggest a new topic as this one is becomming boring.
On a last note. I did not entertain anyone because I am a MDGA commitee member but as the chairman and owner of SMRC. I will defend it if allegations and statements are made by spineless individauls who hide behind blogs and who is not prepared to make it official by requesting information directly for scruntineering. Any information with regard to SMRC is availble to anyone who is a paid up member. I have never denied access to information and if I did then that individual should say there name and not hide behind aliases so that the commitee can action against me. The paid up members also have a right to take action as my club is not run under apartheid rules but under Zuma’s.
You just need to let me know before the time so that I can get rid of the evidence. Maybe get rid of the commitee and replace them with ones I can trust to lie for me.
By the way has anyone gone to Cathy yet and told her that I really do not want her to travel to the other side yet - downstairs where it is hot. The wolf is still hungry.
Oct 29, 9:54 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
Not all Chairmans are tyrants. Perhaps you haven’t had the opportunity to experience great leadership yet. I’m sure you will.
My point re apartheid is about FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION so not sure what you’re ranting on about(?)
Re the removal of title deed restrictions there is a process that needs to be followed and I respect that process. Your attorneys or auditors will be able to explain the various options to you. Although I’m not sure why you want to remove yours all of a sudden (?)
Thank you for being bold enough to communicate on this forum where other Excom members have been too chicken to tread. Without detracting from the serousness of the underlying issues, this website makes for great entertainment, don’t you think?
Have a lovely day!
p.s. must get back to my real work now…Oct 29, 8:46 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
If is removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself yet.
What is your solution to the dictatorship of the association.
How much better it will be under your leadership.
By the way all chairmans are tyrants. Because people are not mature enough to pay their subs the tyrents has no choice but to be the wolf and slowly endulge the eating of the lamb.
Why does the lamb not put her money where her mouth is and back up the allections that was made. Oh I forgot she is protected by the bloggers who is not members of SMRC and has no idea what is happening because they sit on a fence and blame apartheid for her wrong doing.
Let see if real answers is given on the question that was ask.
Oct 29, 7:42 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I am not idle by any stretch of the imagination so don’t make wild assumptions. Clearly you have little understanding of what is going on and even less tolerance of other people’s views so why waste your time visiting this site?
Bye Bye
Leon you miss the point - there is no need for a “new” association. The present MDGA simply isn’t what it claims to be and would continue as a voluntary association. Of course a new and different association can be formed at any time if that’s what the community chooses. Most suburbs have successful ratepayers associations and I would happily participate in a similar association here.
It’s worth bearing in mind that the SMRC was formed with the related title deed restriction during apartheid when government doctrine didn’t exactly support freedom of association, a concept now enshrined in our Constitution.
Your attitude towards voluntary associations and clubs speaks volumes. Are you seriously only looking out for yourself? The beauty of voluntary organisations is that they attract the right calibre of selfless folk - and it is their conduct which in turn attracts the members. Your kind seems to drive members away…Oct 28, 11:21 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
“Indeed,” bleated the lamb sadly, “I was not born then.”
Then the wolf said: “Well, you feed in my pasture.”
“No, good sir,” replied the lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.”
“Is that so!” replied the wolf, getting angry. “But I noticed you drinking at my well.”
“Oh, no,” answered the lamb, “I never yet drank water, for my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.”
At this the wolf seized the lamb saying:
“Well! I won’t remain supperless any longer, even though you deny every one of my accusations.”
The tyrant will always find an excuse for his tyranny.Oct 28, 10:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
I noticed Cathy was having fun at a party at the club the other night,looks like Cathy is also using the facilities and enjoying them.Oct 28, 9:38 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Of course you don’t HAVE to publish the AFS on the website, but as a non-profit association there is a public interest element (as a PBO you deprive the fiscus of taxes) and accordingly it would reflect well on you and the SMRC to make them publicly available. What have you got to hide? The AFS of all listed companies are published so why not yours?
As much as we can’t propose a resolution to undo a resolution that was passed unlawfully, we also can’t submit a proposal to undo an association’s unlawful claims to be something it isn’t. To date the MDGA hasn’t been able to properly identify itself as the same association referred to in my title deed. Now that’s a problem.Oct 28, 4:13 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
The MDGA Constitution is an absolute nonsense not least because the MDGA doesn’t see fit to comply with its own voting requirements - as was borne out beyond any doubt at the SAHRC mediation session (the SAHRC issued a report confirming a.o. this very point).
Are you saying that if the MDGA becomes voluntary you and your like will no longer offer your services for free? And now why would that be exactly?Oct 28, 3:41 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
But you Mr Lee to basically threaten who ever stands in your way. Listen take me on, at least face me like a man, Don”t threaten women by intimidation like that!!!
Wonder if you will be so foul mouthed the time I”m finished with you!!WarrenOct 27, 8:26 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
If Mr. Lee wants to protect his “dignity”, he should refrain from using bad language and threats. No-one could have injured his “dignity” as much as he himself has done with this comment.
Doing a job for “free” does not give you licence to abuse.Oct 27, 4:19 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
Where will I go and play tennis and swim in Summer if you close down the club? It is only R50 per month for me to enjoy all the facilities there as I cannot afford to buy a house with a tennis court and pool and myself and my family have so much fun there? Why do you want to spoil things for the people that are enjoying the club?
TheresaOct 27, 12:26 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
I am glad to see that I am been talked about. That means I am doing my job as the Chairman of San Marina. I encourage in what you are doing as it must be hard to get those signatures.I have no problem people attacking me as the Chairman of the club but let it be known to all that if you make this personal I will hunt you down and take you out of your misery like a sick animal.I encourage all to question any activity that happens at the club including financials. If you feel that there was financial gain by anyone then I encourage you to request the financials which was given to you via the auditors. Before making allegations make sure your facts are in order as I am prepared to protect my dignity to the full extent.When it comes to the decision making of the club it is up to the commitee to decide on behalf of yourself since you have no interest in it. Do not judge them as they are giving up their time for FREE to cater for your needs.With regard to the R5 per child using the pool. I do not know who told you this as it is false. No money has been taken from anyone in the last year and a half since I have been on the commitee. If it is happening then I need to know so that I can take legal action.With regard to the wall. This was a legal mandate that we had to do but since you are not a tennis player how can this bother you. In actaul fact you are the only only who ever complained about it. Everyone is quite inpressed with it.Again I say that if you have an issue with me then be brave enough to confront me face to face and not like a coward who has nothing better than the write crap like this on blogs.This will probaly never be displayed as I am prepared to stand up for my commitee and the property I own namely San Marina Recreational Club.
Oct 27, 8:35 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
not far off is the City of CT’s solution to anti-social behaviour: …fine those damn begging bastards for hanging around street corners, laundry blowing in the wind next to the freeway, and peeing in public… now uh duh hallo - if people are homeless, unemployed, displaced etc how on earth do you expect them to pay fine upon fine upon fine????? talk about taking food out of mouths. City of CT, you may need more money in the coffers to pay for the stadium but please go back to the drawing board on this one!Oct 15, 8:05 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
Is this surprising from the current Policing Proffesional….NO!!!!
We can make all kinds of excuses for the police in todays climate but the underlying truth is they joined the police to protect and serve? Unfortunately this does not take place anymore.
I agree with all that was said in the previous posting (Ex policeman said,).It is generally mentioned that poorly performing police officers are generally corrupt………… read between the lines.When I was serving at Muizenberg then,it was common knowledge amoungst the permanent staff that certain inapproapriate activities were taking place, how it all gets covered up and even at the highest level.I still get to hear what is happening at Muizenberg from a very reliable source, the only difference between my time and now..is that its gotten worse.
As for those policeman mentioned in yr article, I also knew and worked with most of them and honestly I would not put my trust in them.This is only the tip of the iceberg, if only the truth could be told!I am almost sure Ex policeman and myself served together and if im correct this truth about Muizenberg police members would be causing you a moral delema as to expose or remain silent and secretive in yr knowledge!I am so sorry.Thankfully the likes of the Mountain Men are around. Yes ask them they have answers for you!
Oct 13, 11:05 PM — Cries for Help Ignored
Morals of the story:
1) Not everyone who sh*ts on you is your enemy.
2) Not everyone who gets you out of sh*t is your friend.
3) And when you’re in deep sh*t, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!Oct 2, 3:35 PM — Do you smell that!
Any idiot who will vote yes to fining ourselves must have his/her head read. I will never give these arrogant bozoes the right to fine me. Do they think I am an idiot?Sep 20, 11:07 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
What do the Excom think they’re doing proposing yet further highly controversial amendments to the constitution on the eve of their departure anyway? Or is this just a desperate scramble to source funds to meet their cashflow requirements? Perhaps members are not paying the subs that were approved without a budget? Or do they want the new Excom to have the means to punish their ‘enemies’? How childish and short-sighted. The Excom STILL over a period of MANY YEARS hasn’t managed to secure the community’s support for the implementation of a Marina-Wide Security Scheme yet they refuse to undo the ridiculous 2006 amendments they contrived - have they lost touch with reality to such an extent they can’t see that they’re chasing rainbows? Exceeding their authority at every turn and infringing on people’s property rights in the process… Do these people have no conscience or are they just blinded by their own stupidity?
THIS ASSOCIATION IS DEFUNCT AND IT IS HIGH TIME THAT THE MDGA EXCOM HOST AN OPEN FORUM WITH THE NECESSARY PROFESSIONALS IN ATTENDANCE TO ADDRESS ALL MEMBERS’ QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS - IN THE INTERESTS OF TRANSPARENCY AND JUSTICE. WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN DONE? WHY DOES THE MDGA REFUSE TO DO THIS? THE ASSOCIATION’S ATTORNEYS AND AUDITOR (BOTH OF WHOM HAVE SERVED THE MDGA FOR APPROX. 20 YRS) SHOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE OF THEIR TIME FOR THIS PURPOSE - WHY NOT? WHAT QUESTIONS DO THEY NOT WANT TO HAVE TO ANSWER? WHY CAN’T MEMBERS SEE THE RECORDS AND CORRESPONDENCE WITH ITS LEGAL ADVISORS & AUDITOR? The Excom have been bleating more recently that the association belongs to the members - yeah right. Why do they persist in flouting their own Constitution and continue to keep the records under lock and key??????Sep 16, 8:14 AM — You Strike a Woman, You Strike a Rock
Multi-colours would take away part of the uniqueness that is the Marina. It would look like any ordinary residential area (water aside). Also, as far as maintenance goes, residents who aren’t properly maintaining their property now, aren’t going to maintain it any better just because it’s a different colour. In fact, it could end up looking terribly messy after a few years.
And as far as nature being wrong goes??? A rainbow is muli-coloured, yes, but, the sky is blue, clouds are white, grass is green, the ocean blue… each in their own place to make up this wonderful world we live in… (I don’t think I’d quite like a multi-colour sky, ocean, clouds…)Aug 26, 2:15 PM — A Colourful Marina?
Thanks, webmaster.Aug 25, 7:19 PM — Email sent to Jan de Groote
i have specifically requested details of related party payments - alas the mdga/excom refuse to comment.
we’re still denied access to the association’s records contrary to the mdga’s constitution (which you can now view in all its discriminatory glory on the mdga website). why?
the appointment of this debt collector, the related party relationship and its contractual terms & conditions should have been formally approved by members at an agm, and should have been reassessed at each subsequent agm as part of the budget process - with comparative quotes of course.
as for the subscription now being demanded of us, i didn’t receive the proposed amendments before the agm (after I’d requested this timeously) and the new subscription was approved without any budget.
excom maintained at the sahrc mediation session that subs are not intended for postage & stamps. so i ask with tears in my eyes why must i pay money to an association that can not or will not produce a detailed budget with full disclosure at the appropriate time and has little appreciation for the fact that postage & stamps is one of the MAIN reasons for raising subs?
why should i contribute to the mdga’s coffers when excom maintained at the same sahrc mediation that a mere 2/3’s constitutional vote is STILL all that is required to kick-start the exorbitant levies and marina-wide security scheme? a legal opinion holds that a reasonable interpretation of the preface page to its amended constitution is that 90% of ALL MEMBERS must VOTE in favour of any proposed levy/security scheme (take a look and see for yourself).
worried about being sued for subs? not at all.
concerned about an association that doesn’t understand and abide by it’s own constitution? absolutely.Aug 20, 3:50 PM — Letters of Demand
For those in the dark, Marina da Gama is not an enclosed priv