1. AuthorI know of a convicted criminal who was employed by one of the major security firms to install burglar alarms in people’s homes. He is currently in jail again for breaking into a vehicle in Muizenberg. The firm was aware of his criminal record before employing him.You have full right to spend your money on any security you wish, but you do not have the right to dictate to me how I should spend my money, nor should your wishes infringe on any of my rights.

    May 4, 3:51 PM — Pirates of the Marina

  2. AnitaHi JonathanThis Association has never had, nor will it ever have the authority to enforce building codes and architectural guidelines. The only body with that authority is Council. This was proclaimed in the Provincial Gazette of the Cape of Good Hope on 2 October 1987 (page no.1048/9).

    All the other developments you talk about have common property. This common property needs to be maintained and rates and taxes must be paid for it. The Marina Da Gama Association has none.

    A ratepayers’ association cannot, by its very definition, have compulsory membership. Only a home-owners’ association can and a home-owners’ association must have common property to administer.

    The home-owners’ association does not address anti-social behaviour, nor should they. It is not within their job-description.

    So, my question to you is: Why should we belong to an Association with no teeth and nothing to spend our money on?

    May 4, 3:42 PM — Threatened again

  3. jonathanThe first entry here by “Author in Crime” says that because no security system or guards can ever give us 100% safety, therefore we do not need security patrols. You don’t need a degree in logic to see the idiocy of that. Of course we each need to care for our own security. But at the same time we also need to have street security a la ADT or Chubb and be preapred to pay for that. Criminals will always be around. We need to make it as diffuclt as possible for them. That includes our own behaviour as well as using external security measures.May 4, 11:51 AM — Pirates of the Marina
  4. jonathan1. Marina needs a body representing the homeowners, - a residents’ association (whatever you choose to call it).
    2. This body needs to have the power to enforce certain building codes so that there is some contol over what is built. The idea of leaving this to the good sense of the residents is nonsense. You will inevitably get someone who wants to build a face brick extension or paint their house pink. You need rules which are enforceable.
    3. Because of this you need membership of such a body to be compulsory on all home owners. It is commonly accepted practice for developments like Marina to be subject to common building codes which preserve the “feel” of the place. One of the glories of Marina is the uniformity of the houses.
    4. The residents’ association needs to be democratically elected. If people do not like what their elected reps are doing they have the right to vote them out of office. I am sure there is also provision to call emergency general meetings if enough people request it. If enough people were upset by what their reps are doing they will turn up at meetings and vote them out. That is how democracy works.
    5. Representing a community on a residents’ association is a thankless task and we need to value those residents who are prepared to devote their time and energy to doing this for no pay. It is too easy to let others do the work and then criticize and snipe from the sidelines when you disagree. If you donlt like the way yourreps run things, then stand yourself next time.
    6. Residents’ Associations need money for many things, including legal fees to prevent breaches of the building codes and other anti social behaviour. R160 a year is a joke and it is perfectyl reasonable for the association to increase this amount. How much, and how they do it is another matter. But the beed for higher annual fees is clear.May 4, 11:43 AM — Threatened again
  5. AnitaHi LeonHas SARS been of any help yet?May 3, 5:59 PM — Anyone been sued yet?
  6. jtLeon, Leon, Leon, how do I explain this? An association of persons is > 1 person. Therefore an association of persons can not possibly qualify for the rebates applicable to individuals (an individual = 1 person). Certain associations such as HOA’s do qualify for certain rebates and/or exemptions, but alas such associations must meet certain criteria determined by SARS from time to time. And from the look of things the MDGA doesn’t quite cut it. SARS’ new penalties for non-registration, non-submission of returns, late payments etc are no laughing matter. If I was on Excom I’m not sure I’d be sleeping all that well. I mean it’s not like Excom hasn’t been warned over the years so now it’s just plain negligence.Apr 28, 8:57 AM —  Anyone been sued yet?
  7. AnitaI doubt whether SARS is going to differentiate between trustees, directors, or executive committee members. You see, directors and trustees also get voted in by owners. Bottom line is that you have assumed the fiduciary obligation when you accepted the job, so you could be held jointly and severally liable for any infringements of the law.Well done for taking this seriously, though.Now I believe SARS would say the following:

    1. You get more than R50 000.00 per year - much more.
    2. You have no common property which has to be maintained.
    3. What do you use the money for?
    4. Why should we consider you tax exempt, or even a home-owners’ association for that matter?

    Apr 27, 9:56 PM — Anyone been sued yet?

  8. leon Home PC browser did not refresh so I did not see my comments. Upgraded so now it works.I did read Paddocks Press, June 2007 edition and it is quite interesting. The only problem is that we do not have trustees or directors but committee members voted in by the owners of the Marina.Will go to SARS next week and find out if the above is true though.

    Apr 27, 8:01 PM — Anyone been sued yet?

  9. DingbatIn this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. - Benjamin FranklinApr 26, 11:23 AM — Anyone been sued yet?
  10. AnitaHi Leon.I would suggest that you read the article by Clint Ridden on page 5 of Paddocks Press, June 2007 edition which can be found here: http://www.ghostdigest.co.za/PDF/PaddocksPressJune2007.pdfI would like to draw your attention to the following paragraph: “This could have financial implications for body corporate, but the consequences of SARS catching up with the body corporate are far more severe. Firstly, the tax penalty could be as high as 200%. Secondly any request for penalties to be waived would be ignored, and thirdly, the trustees could find themselves facing criminal prosecution.”

    Please keep in mind that whatever goes for bodies corporate, applies equally to a home-owners’ associations.

    But hey, good luck telling SARS that they don’t have the right to tax the Association since, in your opinion, the Association is neither a business nor a person. :-D

    Apr 25, 9:18 PM — Anyone been sued yet?

  11. admin Leon
    No comment of yours has being removed,edited or otherwise by myself or partner. Please resubmit this comment in question and I/we will insure it is posted!!!WarrenApr 24, 11:41 PM — Anyone been sued yet?
  12. leonI did reply but my comments was removed by the webmaster.Maybe did not like the comments I postedApr 24, 3:42 PM — Anyone been sued yet?
  13. LeonNot getting tax exemption isn’t license to simply not register as a tax payer - why not.If you earn less than R50000 a year like me then you do not need to pay tax - not so.The MDGA is not a business nor an individual so why must they pay tax.

    Maybe you can highlite why they must register.

    Apr 24, 1:39 PM — Anyone been sued yet?

  14. LeonOnly paid up members should be kept informed is the correct statementApr 24, 1:31 PM — Anyone been sued yet?
  15. jtnope, still waiting…
    has the mdga registered for income tax yet? it’s been how long now, let’s see, a year and a half since the office bearers applied for exemption. how about an update - leon? not getting tax exemption isn’t license to simply not register as a tax payer. hope the office bearers have taken note of the hefty new penalties for non-compliance… members should be kept informed - or is this too much to ask?Apr 23, 11:51 AM — Anyone been sued yet?
  16. AlexanderWow, I serve on a body corporate and thus ended up on this site.I though we were emotional but this is actually quite humorous. Such angry opinions, lacking any solutions or strategies.Though I guess it is the same, the tomato throwers never do stand up to take long term responsibility…

    Apr 9, 6:43 PM — Qually does not like us

  17. jthey leon what punishment do you mete out for members who lend their keys? i reckon by the time you leave there will be so many keys floating around the members will be able to punish you for being so negligent.
    p.s. as for that game you enjoy it’s called putt-putt (or were you thinking of marbles?)Mar 13, 8:26 AM — Trouble in Paradise?
  18. AnitaHi Leon.Didn’t know you had the hots for me. Sorry though, not my cup of tea ;-)Mar 12, 7:34 PM — Trouble in Paradise?
  19. leonAuthor - enough keys was made. All on record for the day I leave.Yes Anita see you at the club. Just don’t take the risk of coming alone though. Bring JT with.
    Witness to the fact that I aka Julius am a lover and not a fighter.Author I nearly forgot about you. You are also welcome to come down and smack some balls around. Just bring your own. Unfortunetly I have no spare ones to lend out.

    P.S. Julies likes playing golf though. Hitting a ball and dropping it into a small hole is much more soothing. Less stressfull on the body too.

    Mar 12, 1:15 PM — Trouble in Paradise?

  20. jthey leon i borrowed a key the other day to knock a few balls about. pool needs a bit of a clean. next time i borrow the key i’ll run off a few copies…
    p.s. see you at the club :-)Mar 11, 3:13 PM — Trouble in Paradise?
  21. AuthorSo how many keys are floating about at the moment?Mar 11, 1:54 PM — Trouble in Paradise?
  22. leonNo. Only made for those who requested/wanted it.We are 268 members. 80% of it is 215.Actaul amount is 214.4.I will make 215 keys if needed.Not all paid up members wants access though during the week as they work till late. The feedback I received so far is that paid up members want the club to be locked during the week. Less vandalism from non members.

    Only discruntle unpaid members wants access during the week. They want to enjoy the facility while no one is there to watch them enjoy it and not pay for that privilige. Freeriders.

    Come and see me if you need a key. I have spare ones.

    Mar 11, 12:04 PM — Trouble in Paradise?

  23. AuthorOK. Let’s say that there are around 300 homes in San Marina. You claim that about 80% of them are paid up members (see Hunting Season is Open). Are you telling us that you had around 240 keys cut for the club???Mar 11, 9:41 AM — Trouble in Paradise?
  24. leonALL paid up members are given keys.NONEMar 11, 9:05 AM — Trouble in Paradise?
  25. AuthorMaybe Comrade Julies (that’s the Cape Flats version of Julius) can tell us if ALL paid up members were given keys to “his” domain, and if not, how many PAID UP members are still LOCKED OUT?Mar 11, 8:17 AM — Trouble in Paradise?
  26. jtLeon, you’re scary.Mar 10, 1:27 PM — Trouble in Paradise?
  27. leonJT I have not heard of you for a while. How was the holiday at that quiet white walled place? You know that one that is so padded that you do not hurt yourself.Comrade Julies aka me just came from a anger management holiday too. I was healed until I saw this cr@p again. I will need to book myself in again. All this stress I am enduring is not good for the soul.Comrade Julies says come and see me personally so that we can discuss all issues you might have.For those paid up members who received keys and keep the club closed THANK YOU. We do not want disgruntle unpaid members to enjoy the facilities which you pay with your hard earned money.

    You are more than welcome in Julius’s domain if you are paid up and have that nice access card that you where issued with.

    Do not worry about those disgruntle unpaid members. Comrade Julius will make sure that they are on my hit list for this weeks meeting with the attorneys. I will get our money that is due to us.

    Viva to democracy. Viva to the power of persuasion.

    PS. Please do not forget to vote at the upcomming AGM / election.

    Mar 9, 8:48 AM — Trouble in Paradise?

  28. AnitaOh Dear. And now the MDGA and San Marina Recreational Club’s family fun day on the 28 March 2009 at Uitsig park has been cancelled until further notice. I guess that Leon still has not managed to get the creepy fixedMar 4, 6:17 PM — Trouble in Paradise?
  29. WoompopKiGtupThank you!Feb 27, 4:41 PM — Threatened again
  30. jtAg, never fear when Leon’s near. His title deed says that he owns the Club so I’m sure he’ll make good the losses.
    Hey Leon be a nice guy and buy a new creepy so the kids can swim.Feb 26, 5:46 PM — Trouble in Paradise?
  31. newbyI agree if we want an assosiation that works for us we should take the effort to attend meetings and elect the right people. The assosiation if adminidistered correctly has the ability to benefit all residentsFeb 25, 10:21 AM — Threatened again
  32. DC Hi Anita,Thanks for the very comprehensive feedback…Phew, seems like we’ll be moving into a conflict zone. It makes total sense what you are saying but it also seems that if the majority of residents wanted to change things that they could. It would be a case of getting sufficient numbers to the relevant meeting and adopting relevant resolutions? I am correct in saying that this?…It is also strange to me that if the MDGA is so disliked that the majority of owners don’t turn up for these meetings to voice their concern and make changes to the constitution…So I guess I will have to see for myself firsthand..Thanks again for your input, much appreciatedJan 21, 12:39 PM — Threatened again
  33. AnitaDC, you will be welcome to the area and I am sure that, despite the controversy surrounding it at present, your stay will be tranquil and pleasant. The Marina has a lot to offer, and, as I have come to know a lot of the people in the last 3 years, I can vouch for the fact that there are many genuinely stunning people here.You have inadvertently stumbled across the very essence of the problem. In a block of flats you have common property which needs to be maintained, rates and taxes need to be paid and basic services have to be delivered. You are also protected by the Sectional Titles Act which governs how these levies may be charged and administered and there is an ombudsman, should any problems arise.In Marina Da Gama, we have no common property to be administered and the basic services are rendered by the municipality. Rates and taxes are paid individually. There is no law protecting us, bar the common law, and your recourse is to the High Court – a very expensive exercise, should you have to go that route. This is a very dangerous situation to be in, considering that home-owners’ associations are run by volunteers from the community. There is also nothing prescribing basic qualifications or managerial skills of these volunteers.When reading your constitution, please take into account that the constitution calls for a quorum of 60 people to validate a meeting. Considering that there are about 1 300 homes in the Marina, this means that as little as 40 people can change this constitution to whatever they like on behalf of the rest of us. Because the Association is in fact a very unpopular body (some meetings have turned seriously ugly in the past), the average attendance at meetings is about 120 homeowners with the right to vote. As a rule, these people tend to follow whatever the Executive Committee of the day proposes.

    Voting for the Executive Committee does not happen. There should be 12 such members, and on average it is very difficult to get together 12 volunteers to serve on the committee. So, whomever has their name put forward is automatically a Committee Member. Should there still be spaces vacant on the Committee, the standing Committee Members will co-opt someone of their choice. It is certainly not a community choice as to whom our “leaders” are.

    Granted, it is your own fault if you do not attend the meetings, unless of course you were not notified of the meeting to start with. This is what happened at the meeting where the controversial changes happened in 2006 – over 500 people were not officially notified - and yet the meeting was declared “valid”. When I pointed out at the meeting that non-resident members did not receive notification and that my mother, a non-resident member, was one of them, I was told that “we will phone the old bat in the case of a hang-vote.” Charming.

    And if you dare object to the obvious flaws, the derision, threats and lies fly about like bullets during a war.

    I appreciate the fact that you are prepared to make an objective evaluation of the situation, and much has been written about the subject during the last 3 years. I would therefore suggest that you get copies of the past 3 years’ newsletters from the Association offices. Should you wish, I will forward you copies of my formal objections to Council and the Association and further information I have at hand. My e-mail address is: anotheranita@gmail.com

    Jan 20, 10:17 PM — Threatened again

  34. DCAnita and JT ,very interesting indeed and thought provoking!! Even more so considering myself and my wife will be moving into the Marina in the next couple of months!! Both of us extremely excited to become an active part of the community, which from our first impressions is a wonderful place to live in spite of this ongoing debate/conflict around the MDGA and whether it is adds value or not…I think I will need to experience first hand before I can comment from an unbiased perspective, which I may have at times already done, for which I apologise. I am also interested to hear from the “other” side as to why they support the MDGA ?? As its always good to hear both sides of the story before drawing conclusions…I do find it extremely dissapointing and in fact immature and childish that the MDGA is not even willing to enquire as to what the “voice of the people” is? Surely if they are confident that they are providing a valuable service that people would support them? At the same time I am aware that we tend to want to avoid paying any additional money where possible, so that sometimes such a rate is justified (as per levies in a block of flats) to ensure that the basic maintenance and services are provided…Anyhow I will have to read through the MDGA constitution myself and “experience” the community at first before coming to a conclusion…Thanks for both your comments, really appreciate them..Jan 20, 8:45 PM — Threatened again
  35. AnitaHi DCWe did call for a public participation process, as did Council. Council even offered to help and get the Independent Electoral Commission involved (who do this kind of thing free of charge), but the Chairman of the Marina Da Gama Association declined, saying: “Talk of a ‘Public Participation Process’ is misplaced; the Council itself accepts that changes to our constitution are a private matter between members, so there is no public to be consulted. There will be no referendum, and we don’t need any further interference from Council in our internal affairs.” Peter Harrison – Chairman: September 2007 Security BulletinI agree. If the majority of the homeowners agree to something, then democracy should rule, but the Association has overstepped its bounds, did not follow their own rules and as a consequence now have to prove to us that they have the power over us they claim they have. They have not been able to do so.It is this very same abuse of power which leads me to believe that an association, in order to be effective in the community, must be a voluntary body. Most communities have very effective ratepayers’ associations, and I believe that their effectiveness stems from the very fact that they are voluntary. The people who belong and serve on these committees are passionate about what they do, but in order to survive, they have to do what the community wants, otherwise they will not have the membership or the funding to keep going.I know that the people of the Marina are passionate and proud of our surroundings and our beautiful suburb. Why not give us a little credit that we can look after our own standards, without a “Big Daddy” watching over us. Kirstenhoff does it, Meadowridge does it, - and they don’t have a compulsory association. If you have pride in your property and pride in your area, it comes naturally that you would want look after it. Now you get silly little letters from the Association telling you that you should paint your house, when you have already bought the paint and was about to start painting anyway. And the letters are just about rude enough to get your back up, leave the planned painting job and tell them to get lost. Most counter-productive, if you ask me.

    Jan 20, 7:23 PM — Threatened again

  36. jtDC, Council also recommended that an independent survey be held. Sadly, the MDGA refuses to conduct surveys or entertain open discussion forums (with the necessary expertise in attendance) to address concerns such as uncapped levies. The concept of an open forum or public debate is anathema to the MDGA. This has forced concerned property owners to go to extraordinary lengths to protect their rights. And instead of respecting their right to do so, the MDGA resorted to mudslinging, intimidation and derision of those residents who expressed concerns - this when 100+ residents stuck their necks out to lodge written objections with Council. It is a very real probability that the MDGA is not the association referred to in our title deeds and until that little matter has been cleared up the MDGA can look to its fan club for financial support.Jan 20, 12:05 PM — Threatened again
  37. DCElitism was definitely not my intention and I think you miss my point JT, “The Rise of the Marina” has nothing to do with who lives their or their income levels but more to do with a community that is an example to others of how one should be and that others can learn…I.e a community, rather than a collection of self-centred homes..Trust that makes sense. This would in all likelihood increase demand and lead to a “Rise” in property prices, but surely that is still beneficial to all who live there and is a desired outcome? Elitism occurs when only a few benefit, a tightly knit community where all benefit from higher prices is not elitism, merely the consequence of working together to improve a community..Thanks Anita for updating me on the proposed amount change, which is substantially more than my impressions of the R170 per annum!! I too would also be rather inclined to voice my concerns about this amount ESPECIALLY the “uncapped” bit… Should the Association not put together a manifesto explaining where these contributions would go and how the additional amounts would be budgeted and spent as well as the pros of this?? Then this could be sent to home owners in the Marina and then a survey had? Would seem to be the most “democratic solution” in my opinion.. Hopefuly everyone would take an honest look at the pros and cons and make a informed decision then even if it means accepting they were wrong, then it is up to the MDGA to accept “the will of the people” so to speak…I look forward to following this post and seeing the outcome which I trust will benefit the majority and not the minority, whatever the outcome may be..Jan 20, 10:08 AM — Threatened again
  38. Anita Dear DCMy fight with the Association started because the Executive Committee wanted to raise the small R170.00 annual contribution (capped at a maximum 10% increase per annum) to a staggering R2 640.00 per annum (uncapped) at the whim of as little as 40 of the +- 1 300 homeowners. This lead to an investigation into their actual power to do so, which in turn lead to the ultimate conclusion that the Association, as it stands, is not the compulsory association they claim to be. Compulsory Associations just seem to attract bullies anyway.Jan 19, 5:06 PM —  Threatened again
  39. jtDC, what exactly do you mean by the “Rise of the Marina da Gama”? As a God fearing person you come across as decidedly elitist.You miss the point. The issue has less to do with a small contribution of R170pa than it has to do with a title deed restriction and the potentially onerous implications thereof if the MDGA has its way.How would you like to find yourself unemployed one day and having to fork out thousands of rands each month courtesy of a title deed restriction and a bunch of idiots who can’t budget?Hail MaryJan 19, 4:57 PM — Threatened again
  40. DCThough I personally don’t live in the Marina I have followed these blogs and would like to comment from a “3rd person’s perspective”… The Marina, with its great lifestyle (yes I have visited) has the opportunity to lift itself in line with other much “posher” suburbs such as Tokai, Bergvlie, Meadowridge t etc and I would have thought that all resident having the privilege to live there would be more than happy to get involved through a small annual contribution of R170pa. The Marina has the the luxury that 90% of suburbs don’t have in that there is a formal association that holds AGMs, has standards committees etc. dedicated to ensuring that the standards don’t slip at the expense of their own personal/family time. The geographical layout of Marina da Gama also makes this possible to implement standards controls in a way which only gated developments have these days, don’t underestimate the value of this!!…Sure the association may make some mistakes (don’t we all!!) and need to improve in someways (i sure do!), but each resident should have the foresight to see that if everyone does there bit (pays subs and contributes a small amount of personal time to improve the Marina) that it will have an overall benefit on everyone. A self-centred, “what’s in it for me” approach is always the easy route to take, whereas putting a community, with the desire to see it improve and flourish, over and above your personal needs is the more difficult but ultimately most fulfilling and beneficial for all. I would encourage those living in the Marina da Gama who are investing money, time, energy into improving it to keep doing so, despite the negativity that some people seem to have…To those who are so negative, maybe its time to realise that there is more to the Marina than just your household and that your energy would be best spent in doing something constructive to improve it rather than berating those who do….I look forward to seeing the “Rise of the Marina da Gama” headline in a weekend paper in the not to distant future…God BlessJan 19, 2:01 PM — Threatened again
  41. jtnewby, i agree with you. not only is it what they DO that’s relevant but also what the association IS. it is described variously as a homeowners association (recent excom publications), a ratepayers association (old minutes) and civic association (ward cllr in the latest Marina News). as for what they do well it could be anything and everything - whatever grabs the fancy of the excom of the day.i have no problem contributing towards an honourable association and R170pa is well within my means, but i won’t tacitly endorse what recent excoms have tried to do to cement an excessive authority over my property and person through underhanded means and distorted facts, not to mention “dismissive approach” adopted in response to my and other residents’ legitimate queries.you must do what you feel is right for you - to my knowledge nobody has ever complained or harassed residents who have paid their subs -and please pop in here for a giggle from time to time. only requirement is a sense of humour.Jan 15, 8:44 AM — Threatened again
  42. AnitaOk, what do they do for us?Jan 14, 5:04 PM — Threatened again
  43. newbyI find it both amusing and petty to read some of the comments, you have spent a lot of time and resources to try and justify non payment of your subs and in yur own mind and you may feel justified, However all this time and effort to try and prove a point when payment versus what the assosiation does sems to be more relevant issueJan 14, 3:30 PM — Threatened again
  44. trzNice Article. Keep up The Good work.
    Thanks for the information!!Dec 23, 1:38 PM — Declaration Of War
  45. marie kevlopeI was woken at 3am on that fateful monday morning, my dogs woke me and when I went into ther kitchen to make a cup of tea after making sure the property was intact and secured, I got goosebumps and the strangest feeling I weas being watched, so I switched off the lights & went to bed.
    twenty minuites later I heard the squad cars that had been called to my neighbours house. Both neighbours on one side of me has been broken into.
    I feel lucky for now, that I had the dogs, though that is not enough as I had dogs when broken into in Kenliworth some years ago.
    In simple terms we live on the Cape flats however one looks at it we do.
    I feel all of us should work together as a community and stop all the fighting that I see sometimes on this website, it is truly dreadful.
    We all live in dangerous times and need to work together, be thankful to those who are making efforts at reinforcing our safety and get involved in the most positive ways possible.Dec 22, 4:52 PM — Pirates of the Marina
  46. robbie ernstYour reference/U verwysing: THE PROVINCIAL COMMISSIONER
    DIE PROVINSIALE KOMMISSARIS
    My reference/My verwysing: 4/14/2/1/844)2008/02)
    WESTERN CAPE PROVINCE
    Enquiries/Navrae: Asst Comm Strydom
    WES-KAAP PROVINSIETel: (021) 417- 7144 2008.12.09Mr R Ernst
    3 Cole Street
    OBSERVATORYCOMPLAINT AGAINST SAPS MUIZENBERG: MR ROBBIE ERNSTThis office investigated all your complaints, including the allegations relating to
    the tragic and unfortunate death of Mrs Sherwood.Having regard for all the facts, it is the conclusion of this office that there is no
    evidence to support any allegations of dereliction of duty on the part of any
    member of the Service.

    This office deems the matter finalized.

    Your Sincerely,

    Signed
    ______________________________________ASST COMM
    PROVINCIAL HEAD: VISIBLE POLICING: WESTERN CAPE
    JR STRYDOM

    Just showes how corrupt our police in south africa really is,even at the highest level. They could of at least listened to the voice recordings!!!! I will NOT stop here!! PATHETIC

    Dec 17, 11:23 AM — Cries for Help Ignored

  47. jtAn article about ‘pirates’ stealing cellphones, cameras and computer from ‘multi-million rand’ MDG properties on the front page of a national publication…
    In the body of the same newspaper an article about a small rural community near a major city where people are being gunned down in their homes with the women folk raped and men folk killed with seemingly no motive…
    What was the editor smoking?
    All things being relative, the crime here in MDG is pretty tame and no worse than the standard sporadic crime experienced everywhere - and it’s nothing new!!!
    Mind you, it could well get worse now that these easy pickings and modus operandi have been so widely advertised.
    MDG residents should lock their kids up at night (believe it or not the little darlings get up to all sorts of mischief) and take normal safety precautions like locking the back door at night and securing possessions left outside.
    But to publish an article on the front page of a national newspaper when there is so very much more deserving news both worthy of and desperate for the press exposure is simply disgraceful.Dec 15, 8:32 AM — Pirates of the Marina
  48. Basie SaaymanFirstly, my deepest sympathy with the loss of your friend and the fight for justice you are experiencing at the moment.I would like to share a few things with you though and hope that you may find some kind of encouragement if not comfort. I have known you for many years, since 1975, and you and I have shared many experiences even from childhood, so I think I am qualified to call you a friend. I am a born again Christian now and see things in a very different light. Sometimes we dont always understand why things are allowed to happen in this world and we question God’s intentions. We will never know, but I can assure you of one thing that is a certain fact, that everyone will be judged accordingly and dealt with in the end.It may seem to you now that your dear friend has lost her life with no consequences for the people who allowed this through lack of care, or other factor’s, but the truth is, the consequinces to be faced before God one day is far worse than any conseqinces to be faced here on earth, and WE ALL WILL BE JUDGED. Sometimes God allows certain things to happen in order to see how we ourselves deal with it. I applore your determination to bring those responsible to justice and I sincerely hope you do succeed, but please dont harbour hatred in your heart towards them in your quest, that is not what God wants us to do.wishing you wellDec 3, 3:27 PM — Cries for Help Ignored
  49. Tips BeautyI ve been reading along for a while now. I just wanted to drop you a comment to say keep up the good work.JoanNov 29, 2:56 AM — Quotable Quotes by ExCom 2
  50. AnitaHa! The veil of secrecy drops with a bang. Now why am I not surprised? Not prepared to back up your statements, are you? If your concern is a pdf file, that won’t be a problem. Just send it to me an I’ll convert it to a doc. or a jpeg. file and post it for you. You have my e-mail address.Nov 21, 12:18 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  51. leonSorry only availible to paid up owners besides the blog does not allow pdf docs to be displayedNov 21, 11:08 AM — Lamb Chop bites back
  52. AnitaHey, here’s an idea… Why don’t you make those minutes available online. Then we can all take a look at them and judge for ourselves.Nov 20, 3:54 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  53. AnitaThis read together with the fact that their arrears were written off at the time and that they were only billed again at the beginning of this yea. Makes one wonder how accurate your minutes actually are.Nov 20, 3:43 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  54. AnitaCurious indeed, seeing that I saw the communication from the managing agents at the time confirming that they were no longer members. Strange that the managing agent would send such a communication if it were not true.Nov 20, 3:36 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  55. leonMeeting was the 14 April 2005.No mention is made of making members non members.A lot of talk about NRC contract and duties.Hey my wife was co opted onto the commitee. Must be a conspiracy.Next meeting was 1 June 2005. No meeting was held in May 2005 as the chairman was ill during that time.Schedule of handover members was presented and approved. Fairlake members was part of it.

    Hey - they knew about their membership in 2005 already and still witheld funds and now I am in 2008 the tyrant who is trying to collect those same funds that they never knew about.

    Like I said before it is nice to thumbsuck things when you are trying to lie your way out

    Nov 20, 2:41 PM — Lamb Chop bites back

  56. AnitaAh, my apologies Leon. It was a Committee Meeting of the club on either the 13th or the 14th of April 2005.Nov 20, 1:19 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  57. leonAs far as I know the club has only one AGM a year and I have the minutes for the AGM’s that happened in Oct 2004 and Dec 2005.Do you have the minutes for the AGM that happened on April 2005.I would like to see where it was stated that they where made non members. Maybe update my records that I inherited.Nov 20, 12:52 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  58. leon

    Anita I like your slogan “Fight the cause, not the person”. Do you live by this.

    Can you pehaps tell me why so many people gets be littled on this blog. Don’t get your way then write anything here - true ; semi true ; thumb suck

    Excamples:

    Do you smell that! - Apparently the yellow bellyached spineless standards committee of which Jan Da Missing partakes in have carried out comprehensive standards infringement details

    San Marina residents take a stand - San Marina Recreational Club has been made probably the most unpopular club in the world due to the bullying dictator of a chairman.

    Sheriff’s Knock - This was all thanks to Leon Lee. Did this spineless weasel ever think a little further than his arrogant self

    The above does not follow your believe or does it?

    On the matter of Cathy having the right to belong as per your Bill of Rights no. 18 states that everyone has the freedom of association then why has she not seeked legal advise as I have encouraged her to do on numorous occasions and become a non member.

    If she feels so strongly about it why is she paying her subs. She is charged nogal half what the average member is paying - discount is given to older folk. As per your Bill of Rights no. 18 she has a choice of not paying - not so.

    These signatures that she has collected has anyone seen it?

    When will it be completed as this can be dragged out for years. Will we be seeing something before our next AGM or will it be said that the petition is still ongoing. This petition started in Feb 2008 and we now in Nov 2008.

    What will happen with the petition as this is only signatures on a piece of paper. Will someone be taking this to court soon as I have heard through the grape vine it might happen soon. Have not received anything yet though.

    Can I use the Human Right number 17 to cancel the restraining order which I am still waiting for - hopefully it was not posted as the Post Office has a habit of losing post to move around the neighbourhood as I have a right to movement with no intimidation and threats - not so.

    On a last note what has San Marina Recreational Club got to do with this blog. Was this not set up to address the securtity concept which is still in play because people like yourself never came to the AGM to vote it off.

    Yes it is still part of the constitution.

    Nov 20, 10:30 AM — Lamb Chop bites back

  59. AnitaYes, Leon, I do live by that statement that I fight the cause and not the person. I cannot take responsibility for what others write on the blog, nor do I intend to get into a mud-slinging match with you about who said what but you are welcome to study my comments and posts. I do however suggest you re-read some of your own comments and try to picture someone else saying those things to you.The blog was started without my knowledge and I happened to come across it on the internet a few hours later when I was doing an internet search on Marina da Gama. As far as I know the blog’s purpose is to be a forum for the people of Marina da Gama. San Marina is part of Marina da Gama and the club is part of San Marina, therefore quite an appropriate discussion point.I did not go to the Marina da Gama Association’s AGM because I do not consider myself to be a member.I have personally seen an extensive list of signatures collected by Cathy and others, but cannot verify the exact number of signatures collected. She certainly does have a pretty significant support-base though.There is one issue you could clarify for us though. The matter of the April 2005 AGM where a whole list of people were declared non-members of the club. How did it come about that they are now all of a sudden members again?Nov 20, 11:44 AM — Lamb Chop bites back
  60. AnitaHi David.All very true, if:1)you were notified of your enforced membership BEFORE you bought your property;2)your membership has not been revoked at a legally convened AGM by all members present at the meeting;3)your title deed stipulates you have to belong to the club (although this may not be as clear-cut as it seems).In Cathy’s case, she was not informed of any enforced membership of any club. Cathy’s title deed only makes mention of some vague “schedule of conditions” in some or other Section. These were not made available to her before transfer. Basically, she was conned into belonging to a social club. The Bill of Rights no. 18 states that everyone has the freedom of association, and seeing that this is actually a social club, I think that she is well within her rights to belong or not to belong as she pleases.I think that this was the thinking when the AGM of April 2005 when members of the club decided that she no longer had to be a member. Of course, the fact that membership of the club is not expressly referred to in her title deed would also have played a major role in this decision.

    Cathy was not billed for any membership fees since 2005, but early this year, she all of a sudden received an account again. How can the club unilaterally decide to re-instate her membership? Her enforced membership was revoked by mutual consent and she never wanted to be a member again. Since when can one enforce a contract which is only agreed to by one of the parties thereto?

    The property of the club also does not “belong” to her, as it seems to do in Leon’s case. Leon’s title deed actually stipulates that he is an owner. So here you have a situation where some members are owners, and some are not.

    It must be remembered that this is a social club. The club is a legal entity in its own right. It even owns property. I seriously doubt whether membership can be enforced, title deed condition or not, but this would be for the courts to decide. Remember, the Club came into being before our new National Constitution with its liberating “Bill of Rights”.

    Personally, I believe that Leon’s title deed stating that he is an owner is a mistake on someone’s part, but again, this is a point for the courts or the Deeds Office to decide. Be it as it may, it is still very confusing and rather prejudicial if it were true.

    The rules of the club do provide for the club to be dissolved. Cathy and others are fully within their rights to canvass the area in order to gain support for this move and must be allowed to do so without threats and intimidation. (Human Right number 17: Everyone has the right to Assembly, demonstration, picket and petition.)

    No doubt, some people have to belong to the club and pay their fees. You certainly seem to fit that bill and I am glad you have found a way to make it work for you. In other cases, the lines are a bit more hazy.

    I salute Cathy for trying to do what she feels is right. It is hard work, but she does seem to have a lot of support, considering the number of people who have already signed her petition.

    I am sure that Leon tries his very best to be a good chairman. He should however learn to mind his manners. His personal attacks and threats are at the very least distasteful and I would even venture to say, in some cases, serously unlawful. I condemn it with every fibre in my body and in this regard I can only say: “Fight the cause, not the person”.

    Nov 19, 11:53 PM — Lamb Chop bites back

  61. leonDavid if you are becomming a serious player and if you need a key for the tennis gate you just need to give me a call. I will make you one. You will however have to sign for it. It will have to be returned on the day you sell.It opened every weekend so that you do not need to go all the way around.Nov 19, 2:33 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  62. DavidWhen I bought my house in the San Marina two years ago, I was informed by the estate agent that I was required to pay subs to the SMRC. At that point, I didn’t play tennis, my property had its own pool, and my kids had already outgrown swings and roundabouts. Nevertheless, I accepted this responsibility and have paid my subs ever since. Oddly enough, I have never had any threatening letters or comments from this, or any other Chairman; I have never been handed over to a collections agency; and I have never felt the need to lobby anyone else to sign petitions aimed at substantiating my own negative feelings about the club. Weird, ain’t it?In fact, I eventually decided that since I was paying subs, I may as well use the facilities - and I’m now quite enjoying my tennis. My major complaint is that the new walls are doing too good a job of keeping my tennis balls on the court, so my weight loss efforts are being hampered by not having to run around the clubhouse every five minutes like I used to when the balls rolled under the broken fence!What nobody on this website has ever acknowledged is that no amount of begging, pleading or friendly reminders have ever proven successful in getting people to pay what they know they should (but choose not to). Whilst I don’t necessarily condone the threatening tone he takes at times, the way Leon Lee is managing the collection of subs (ie via threat of legal action) is the only way these collections can, and should, be managed.Think about it. You might not like the fact that you have to drive 60kmh on our city roads. You probably never had a say in deciding that this was the appropriate speed. And you may be canvassing people to sign a petition to local government to change the speed limit or do away with it altogether. But none of these things change the fact that you still have to drive 60kmh or face the legal consequences.And calling the traffic cops who catch you, or the lawyer who prosecutes you, Robert Mugabe is certainly not going to do you any favours.The bottom line? Pay your subs. If you don’t want to, move somewhere else. Then Leon won’t have to keep on pestering you - and you (and he) will undoubtedly be a whole lot happier. Oh, and try a bit of tennis. The endorphins will make you feel a lot better.Oh, one last thought. Given the apparent crisis that the payment of the R50 subs is causing in the lives of so many residents, I would urge everyone to drop the idea of the San Marina security plan. It’s highly likely that in a few months’ time this scheme will suffer a similar mutiny as people suddenly realise that would prefer to spend the R80 per month on pizza. And the poor individuals who initiated the scheme will be left footing the bill.

    Nov 18, 5:14 PM — Lamb Chop bites back

  63. leonYes Mr. Craske is the new Chairman. He was voted in because of his experience and knowledge. 90% of us is new and do not know all the criteria of being part of the MDGA commitee. I am not going to discuss Excom matters as that is the Chairman portfolio. If you have any questions then can you please go via him or wait for the next comunica.Now San Marina is another matter. I will take responsibility for that. Since there is nothing to discuss on security matters as this website was designed to do I will now say that if you really want to know more then I suggest that you do it via the proper way. This being a paid up member of SMRC and requesting info dictated via our constitution also freely availible via www.sanmarina.co.za.Now on a more positive matter. I hereby invite all to come down to the Fair that will be happening on the 6 Dec 2008. It will start at 10 am to 5 pm. You then can see if the club is as awfull as a few of you said it is.There will be activities for the kids. I will also be there making a lamp potjie - R10 a plate. Hopefully I will not controvene my restraining order on that day.So please come down and enjoy the day with your fellow Marina residents.Nov 11, 1:19 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  64. leonMost of you have heard that there is a neighborhood watch in San Marina. They have been active for +- 2 months now. It started with 8 members – one lady included doing rounds at 12 am to 4 am in the morning. It has gone fine so far and I personally think that crime has dwindled a bit. They had a braai at the club and I was very impressed with the amount of residents arriving to se and hear what this was all about. Some came with blankets and had a picnic on the lawn. After Mr. Peter Elrick had his speech about the neighborhood watch a small discussion occurred. I can say people are now “gatval” of all the crime that is happening in our area. Petty crime like stealing a hose pipe can be understood as this will always happen but it has gone beyond that now. It is becoming more seriously and more daring.I thought instead of sitting on the fence and giving my opinion I will try this neighborhood watch by volunteering one night of the week. I wanted to see for my self what it really is all about.My first night was quite a show. Within five minutes we saw a person walking around at around 12.15 am. When he saw us he started walking in the direction of his house. We followed without intimating or even asking what he was doing out so late at night. It was quite amazing to see how people react when they see the neighborhood watch walking in their direction.After this individual went home we went around towards the entrance of Oudevlei road. There we saw guys on ladders fitting voting posters. They where very quick to react by saying that they were from the advertising agencies even though we did not ask. We purely watched them for five minutes while they did the posters.While we waited a bakkie screeched to a halt and someone was thrown out of the back. The bakkie drove away but stopped and reversed back trying its best to knock the individual who was left behind over. They hit the curb and stopped. Someone else from the back climbed out and took the driving seat. They drove off leaving the individual behind.All of the above happened within an hour of me walking the route. Life is more exciting after hours.After two more rounds it was agreed that the area was quite and we all went home.

    If it was not for these individuals we would have more unknowns walking our roads looking to do crime. I am now staying on and I would really like to encourage anyone who has time to give one night of your time. Even if it is for an hour or so.

    If you can assist please speak to Mr. Peter Elrick or phone the roaming cell that these individuals have when they walk and test this concept out. Remember they are watching your house to.

    The cell number is 071 0288 031. It will only be on if they are on duty.

    If it is on voicemail please contact the police or Chubb/ADT if you are a subscriber.

    Nov 11, 1:02 PM — Neighbourhood Watch Meeting

  65. AnitaHi Leon.Could you please tell us who the new Chairman is? May we assume that it is Mr. Craske, seeing that half the committee actually lives in his street?Nov 7, 9:31 PM — Lamb Chop bites back
  66. Mama MiaJulius, we are pleased to see that you keep your batteries recharged at all times so that you may have company at night. Why do you think that we should be interested in this little titbit though?Nov 4, 12:42 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  67. ResidentHi Lisa. Welcome!I would not offer Mr. Lee a shoulder though. He seems to be the blood-sucking kind and the shoulder is just too close to the neck.Oct 31, 8:23 PM — Sheriff’s Knock
  68. LisaHmmm now that somebody has finally put Mr Lee in his rightful place he has suddenly lost his abusive mouth. Fantastic!! He is at a loss for words finally, shame my angel do you need a shoulder to cry on !!Oct 31, 8:15 PM — Sheriff’s Knock
  69. AnitaWow, that is interesting. Does this mean that we have have some masters and some slaves? Can you think of the legal implications hereof?Oct 31, 5:24 PM — San Marina Mystery
  70. jtWHOOOOOAAAAA STOP THE LORRY!! I am so excited. Lordy, Leon, I owe you an apology of note. You’re right your title says you own the Club!! This could be huge. Bigger than huge. This means that some title deeds say member and some say owner. Vrek but that’s weird! Everybody check your title deeds straight away to see if you’re an owner or just a member. My goodness no wonder there is so much confusion in San Marina. I can’t believe nobody has picked this up before - but see, dears, how open dialogue helps clear things up. Leon could even be the sole owner of the Club and indeed an instant millionnaire. Leon you better check this out and let us know the tally ‘owner members’ vs ‘non-owner members’. I wait in great anticipation…Oct 31, 4:49 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  71. jt pssst guys you can come out now. coast is clear. those dreadful ads have finally gone (took some doing though).
    now let’s do the maths: if as leon says 80% of 268 SMRC members are paid-up @ R50pm that means that of a total R13,400pm there is a short-fall of R2,680pm. apportion this amongst the 80% and they will each pay R62.50pm - not a lot more and for active members this is still really good value. assuming the club is & remains that popular, then there really is no excuse not to make membership voluntary.
    charging non-members a modest entrance fee would also go a long way to compensating for the shortfall (excluding guests of paid-up members of course).
    just imagine Leon no more arguments or disputes, peace & quiet, everyone living in harmony and a club that will only have enthusiastic members who support you and more money in the coffers! does that not make the slightest bit of sense to you?Oct 31, 4:14 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  72. Peter ElOf al, the comments 83 at the last count 19 are from you jt. Who is the “irritating ad” now?
    Cathye you and I must have touched a nerve!
    Jt, if all you can do in response is to hurl insults then I suggest that you do us all a favour and dodge cars on Prince George Drive. Take Warren with you.
    This will be my last response to you.Oct 31, 1:34 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  73. CathyKevin, butt out. You have no idea what you are talking about as you live in Lakeside and are not being pushed like we are from both sides.
    Love
    CathyOct 31, 1:03 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  74. DingbatRun, Rabit! Run, Rabit! Run! Run! Run!
    Don’t give the Lamb Chop her fun, fun, fun.
    Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Goes the Lamb Chop’s gun.
    So run, Rabit! Run, Rabit! Run! Run! Run!Oct 31, 1:00 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  75. AuthorAnd in his parting shot, the man exposes himself for what he really is … a base, dispicable fool.Oct 31, 12:52 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  76. leonPeter & Cathye you are wrong. Jt is right to say that you have the wrong end of the stick so let me summarise.There was this girl who was bored at night. She wanted to play with her companions but their battyries where flat. Can not phone a friend as it is to late - 12pm. So what now. Go see if any of my virtaul friends are awake. Sadly none where. Due to frustration she wrote an article to that place call wwwIf she was clever enough like I am she would have made sure that the companions where using rechargable batteries and where on charge at all times. At least they would have hummmmm away during the night and listened to her song.So Cathye and Peter now you know the full story.Let sleeping dogs lie.Anita requested me to back off a bit so I will be doing that for a while. Maybe this went a bit to far and a true leader knows when to walk away.The bloggers has won for now.

    Oct 31, 12:17 PM — San Marina residents take a stand

  77. DingbatThe Bull and the Goat – Aesop’s Fables.A Bull, escaping from a hungry lion, hid in a deep cave which some goatherds had recently used for their main home. A billy goat had been left behind in the cave by mistake and when he saw the great bull he butted him sharply with his horns. The bull, quite unharmed by the butting of the goat, turned his head and said quietly to him:
    “I have no fear of you, but only of the lion who is hunting for me outside. Let him once go away, and I will soon let you know what is the difference between the strength of a goat and a bull!”
    It is a very unkind nature that takes advantage of someone in distress.Oct 31, 12:08 PM — Sheriff’s Knock
  78. CathyHi. This is Cathy, the original one.Leon, I, like some of the others on this site, am absolutely terrified of my own safety and therefore I feel I cannot attend your meetings. I would not feel safe.I take your threat very seriously and will take the matter further.Love
    Cathy
    (Also known as the Lamb Chop)Oct 31, 11:07 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  79. jtNo Cathye - I love a good challenge - but about the issue at hand. If we’re discussing apples don’t start talking about grapefruit and quoting dumb-ass sayings that are of no relevance. I don’t care if Leon is Chairman. Doesn’t bother me in the least. It’s the compulsory membership of what is a social club that is the rub. The underlying principle conflicts with the freedoms enshrined in the constitution of this country. Get it? The MDGA issue is too complex for you to understand.
    Now run along and go play nicely at the club. Take Peter with you.Oct 31, 8:35 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  80. Cathye JT, you and your cronies would like to call the shots and when someone challenges you, you dislike it. I realise though, that you have nothing better to do with your pathetic life. Seeing that this issue is with Leon, he is doing a fine job as he is always busy at the club house with NO PAY and should be admired for that. Why don’t you become Chairman ? seeing that you have so much to say.Also, you obviously have a lot of time, please offer your services.Oct 31, 8:09 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  81. jt Leon, on a more serious note, seeing as this is my last post for the week (now watch those blinking ads reappear…) good luck for Monday’s MDGA AGM.
    I have no doubt you will get reappointed onto the executive as there won’t be enough volunteers to warrant holding a vote. So you’re in already. Congratulations!
    All differences aside, I salute you for going where no tyrant chairman has gone before and entering into a dialogue on this website with ‘headless chickens’ and ‘bitter einders’. It’s a start and for that reason alone, I hope your fellow excom members vote you in as Chairman. In fact, you should insist on it. Just give them a piece of your mind and demand your rightful place and I’m sure they’ll go for it. May the force be with you!!Oct 31, 7:31 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  82. jtMy!My!My!I got me a grade 4 and me mum made it to 3 all while we’s 5 of us lived in a wee little house. My!!My!!My!!I got me to grade 2 and me dad well he was in special school and me, mum, dad, gramps and me 5 brudders had to live in a one-woom wendy house.My!!!My!!!My!!!You so lucky you wouldna know it. I remember playschool and me mum saying lucky we were, me ma didna go to school as for dad he was taught by me gramps in the dark widda lantern. Me dad, gramps, gramma & his 10 brudders & sistas lived all together in a shoebox…Oct 31, 7:20 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  83. jtLeon, what you are complaining about is a drop in the ocean. Let me make your nightmare even worse. Rand-wise there is just as much if not more grossly under-valued luxury and commercial property which you are also subsidising with your taxes. Chances are the little plots over the way are too small to attract rates to any meaningful extent. As I said before, you get the same benefit so stop whining. Personally I am more than happy to pay taxes so long as officialdom don’t steal it. Instead of eating colleagues for lunch you should read the papers. There are so many people out of work because there simply aren’t enough jobs to go around. Be thankful for small mercies Leon. We don’t have to share jobs yet but don’t think it won’t ever happen. You could end up sharing a whole lot more than you bargained for so get with the programme and stop being so self-centred. Ubuntu!Oct 31, 7:00 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  84. jtNo Peter, so far it’s just you & Cathye that are bleating on about completely irrelevant twaddle. You’re like those irritating ads on telly that interrupt the movie just at that crucial nail biting moment. The ads have every right to feature on the telly of course & sure there must be some folk who enjoy watching them. Not me tho’. Now why do you think anyone would be remotely interested in your school grades??? What has that got to do with anything? Seems you have self-esteem issues and no sense of humour. Cathy sounds off like one of those kids who pulls wings off flies & gets excited when a fight breaks out in the schoolyard - as she can’t wait to join in.
    As for meeting with Leon quite frankly I’d be too scared to go anywhere near the guy. Power has gone to his head. Wait for when he’s Chairman of the MDGA too - we’ll all be living in the Republic of MDG governed by Lord Leon.
    Now why don’t you & Cathye tootle off and go compare school grades with your friends. Must make for fascinating conversation.
    (please take Leon to look at the post above from your NH Watch - seems altruistic volunteerism can work even in your own neighbourhood)Oct 31, 6:48 AM — San Marina resi
  85. AnitaLeon.Slow down, you are tripping over your own feet. Remember, the valuation roll is available - for free - on the internet. Your house is valued at R926 000,00 and not at R1.5 mil.And don’t you dare call me a freeloader. I,together with many other members of this community, have spent many hours and a lot of money - our own money, not money extorted form the community - on fighting a situation that is inherently unjust and prejudicial. We have not done this for financial gain, but because we believe that it is in the best interest of the community at large.I have not just sat on the sideline, expecting others to do work for me. Quite the contrary. This situation, foisted on us by greed, has caused me, for more than 2 years, to make it my mission to help the community. It has almost been a full-time job. And I have done it free of charge and with no expectation of any financial compensation whatsoever. I only did it because I feel it is the right thing to do.So climb off your high horse, mister. You have already advised everyone that you have no such philanthropic ideals and that you do what you do because you find some kind of gain therefrom.Oct 30, 9:12 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  86. adminThere are residents in the San Marina area who heard a knock on their door one morning – it was the sheriff of the court with papers to attach their few household belongings.
    This was all thanks to Leon Lee. Did this spineless weasel ever think a little further than his arrogant self? Just maybe these people who had their worldly goods attached had no job, had children to feed, were on the verge of loosing their house or flat perhaps? Did this little man ever think of the consequences of his actions and perhaps precarious situation some of these people were in!!!
    My God Lee don’t you ever think before taking actions like this?? What I think or presume is that you possibly work for a large corporation; maybe your exceptional skills have not been recognized and due to being the underdog with no recognition, you feel the need to explore avenues to vent.
    With this being the scenario, it would make sense that you need to bully, threaten and attempt to manipulate for your own vanity and arrogance.
    I guess that prats, with little or no common decency towards their fellow man, need to feel important and authoritative.WarrenOct 30, 8:39 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  87. adminLeon Lee
    WARNING:Ease up on threatening residents. I did not appreciate your above comment in the least. Against my better judgment it was posted. It seems you take much joy in creating further misery/hardship for some residents without knowing their current financial constraints, while you laugh.WarrenOct 30, 7:59 PM — Hunting Season is Open
  88. leonSlow down. You are tripping over your own feet. You can not claim IOD from the webmaster.I pay for rates on a 1,5 mil rand house. Go across the street and you pay nothing.I pay extra on my water to give to the under privilege that sit at home - to lazy to get a job. Go across the street and you pay nothing as the tap is a communal one that can run the whole day.I pay high consumption on my electricity - pay penalties on it so that I can support the bonuses for the managers of Eskom. Go across the road you get supplied with electricity (part of self development done by government)- get rebate and get concession.All of this 200 meters away from my house.Yes I have an issue with free loaders.Sounds just like the MDGA. They work for the people - get criticized while doing free work for the free loaders. All the while the free loaders sitting on the fence giving comments loaderOct 30, 7:55 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  89. leon“Is the club as unpopular as Cathy suggests?”The question should be why do I catch Cathy there every weekend enjoying the facilities. She did say that the tennis balls goes under her feet after it bounces of the wall.I think secretly she loves the place now since it looks like a club but can not show it in front of her close friends.She was the biggest opposer for a long time.Cathy will I see you there again this weekend specially by the bring and braai that the neighborhood watch has arranged.What about by the FAIR that is happening on the 6 Dec 2008.Come on Cathy just admit it. The club is for you. We still accept you with open arms.Oct 30, 7:31 PM — Hunting Season is Open
  90. leon+-80%. The other 20% is still not convinced that assets can not be removed if subs are withheld.A big surprise is coming their way this Xmas. Shame that all that nice Xmas gifts will have to be pawned at cash crusaders. Legal fees do not come cheap. Luckily the club do not pay any.Imagine I could get commission for all the hand overs that I have done so far. Could go to the Kruger park and practice my hunting skills.By the end of Jan 09 is should be close to 100% as subs are charged in advance.Maybe one or two die hards will still be around.Tuff meat takes long to soften up. No chewing required though - only swallowing will take place.Oct 30, 7:24 PM — Hunting Season is Open
  91. Mama MiaThe question would then be: How many people are up to date? Maybe Leon could enlighten us?Oct 30, 6:22 PM — Hunting Season is Open
  92. Peter El “Is the club as unpopular as Cathy suggests?”
    Well that depends if you are up to date with your subs or not. The answers are obvious.Oct 30, 6:16 PM — Hunting Season is Open
  93. NH WatchAs this has to do with security, may I “hijack” your blog to invite all residents of San Marina and Marina Moorings to come to a free neighbourhood watch “bring and braai”, disco & karaoke this Saturday 1st November from 5 p.m. onwards at the San Marina Recreational Clubhouse. Come along to find out more about the neighbourhood watch which was recently started in San Marina.
    Please note that this function has nothing to do with the S.M.R.C. apart from them allowing us to use the hall free of charge (It seems that they are not that bad after all!). This invitation is open to all residents whether you are in arrears or not towards the S.M.R.C.Oct 30, 5:59 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  94. Peter ElJt, if you and Leon are having a private discussion then why not contact him directly via email or telephone and stop posting your nonsense on this blog for all and sundry to read. Or does this blog belong to you personally? It seems that anyone who has a different opinion to you is losing the plot. Wake up and respect the views of others. Freedom of Expression is part of our constitution.
    I thought that a blog is for anyone with an interest in the subject to leave a comment. Then again it appears that I am not as educated as you are far as using a bolg is concerned. My apologies. I only got as far as Std 4 (Grade 6) in school. I wasn’t allowed to go any further as my father failed Std 5 in the same school!!!Oct 30, 5:32 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  95. AnitaNow, now, down guys. But I have to agree with JT, Cathye, you are talking gobbledy-goo. Clearly you are a fan of Leon’s and would like to defend him. Fair enough. Maybe you should tell us why he is doing a good job and why you like him? Maybe you could even venture an opinion about the Marina Da Gama Association? Personal insults don’t achieve anything.Oct 30, 4:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  96. jtPeter & Cathye, we’re trying to have a discussion here with Leon and you guys keep chirping in with irrelevant gobbledy-goo. Please go find another blog where you can ‘chat’ to each other as the two of you are definitely on the same page and I’m sure could keep each other entertained for hours…Oct 30, 4:36 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  97. CathyeShame, as the saying goes “where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise”Oct 30, 4:08 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  98. jtSorry Leon I stand to correction wrt the electricity quota - Eskom probably can’t afford it just yet.Oct 30, 3:35 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  99. jtLeon, you are making some seriously wild assumptions about Vrygrond (and I sincerely hope this isn’t the sort of talk that goes on at MDGA Excom meetings).
    Everybody is entitled to a free quota of electricity & water, yourself included. And if you study your rates bill you will see that you also enjoy a rebate on your property rates.Oct 30, 3:32 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  100. Peter ElJt, is “lost the plot” all you can say when you cant find any better comment to make? Once again your comment makes no sense whatsoever! Maybe you think that you are the only person in MdG who has “a plot”. Sorry to inform you but you are mistaken. Don’t feel bad - I am sure that a doctor of psychiatry can help you.Oct 30, 3:23 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  101. leonI understand Bang JanOct 30, 2:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  102. jtPeter, dear, you too have lost the plot. If I didn’t know better I’d swear you and Cathye must be related…Oct 30, 2:51 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  103. leonAll I saw so far is a lot of talking. Talking in circles like polititions who really do not have answers. No one has real answers or proof that what was said can be done - just asumptions.The MDGA is legal but the constitution is illegal according to you so what have you done to correct it. Nothing because hot air balloons evently comes down to the real world and realise it can not be done.I can maybe get fired by Monday but guess what I have been nominated again. Pietie’s job then get nomitated by the nice folk who give up their free time and who entertains confused people like yourself. So the chance I get Pietie’s job is good.With regard to Vrygrond - do you like that place. Are you prepared to stay there. You will get free electricity ; water and rates. Is that not what you wanted. Everything for FREE and on a platter. Maybe a free house to if you can confince council to give it to you. If not just grap some land. Just say it was your anscieters land.all this kindly sponsored by the rate payer.Oct 30, 1:18 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  104. jtLeon, you’re getting waaaaaay too personal now enquiring about my playmates. As for being on the computer late at night, we don’t all have a curfew and fixed bedtime you know. I guess I’m one of those lucky folk who get to manage their own time - at work & at home, day & night. I have very understanding playmates ;-)
    Regarding the SMRC property, you’d better make that 267 because the title deed in front of me says sweet fanny adams about ownership. You should check them all, Leon - who knows, perhaps you are the sole owner! Imagine that, you’d be an instant millionnaire.
    The Deeds Office may not register associations, Leon, but they do need to be notified of amendments to names of associations mentioned in title deed restrictions. Why? So that when someone buys a property they know what they’re buying. Where does one go to establish the details of and other incumbrances attaching to a title deed restriction? Yes my boy, the Deeds Office. And you’re quite right, they have no record of the Marina Da Gama Association.Oct 30, 12:27 PM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  105. jtLeon, Leon, Leon, how many times must we explain? Why do you keep missing the point regarding the MDGA constitution? If you don’t mind I’m not going to dance around that daisy bush with you any more.
    As regards volunteers and voluntary associations, you really should have more faith in your fellow man. Did you have a bad childhood experience that makes you so negative and distrustful of the community in which you live? As for Vrygrond and other neighbouring communities, where do you get off being so insulting and derogatory?
    When co-opted onto the MDGA Excom were you not made to sign a confidentiality agreement? Is the Chairman aware that you’re blabbering away over here? There was a time when he didn’t tolerate Excom members stepping out of line like this - ask the others. One squeak on this site nearly saw their hands cut off.
    In normal circumstances, I’d say the odds of your getting fired before Monday are excellent - 10:1 - but you’re in luck as the Chairman is desperate to hand over to someone who will make him seem comparatively harmless. I think you fit the bill :-)Oct 30, 12:14 PM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  106. leonI am here to stay. Get more clarity on this issue.Strange none of you fence sitters are joining up.Imagine we have you on the MDGA. We can change the way people think. Give them the freedom of choice. Even introduce a legal constitition.With the info you have given me so far it wont be long before we will have a special area called Vrygrond extension with an Association that do not really work for you as they have no power over you or any rights - who will be on a volunteer basis - and for free.Keep up the good work. I can not wait for that day.Oct 30, 11:26 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  107. AnitaMy bet is that Pietie has given up on the Marina and will not make any more effort to protect the Marina’s good name. Besides, no-one else wants to fill his dirtied shoes. I bet 10-1 Leon stays.Oct 30, 11:13 AM — Will Pietie give Leon the Axe?
  108. leonThe SMRC is a bit different - you don’t get a share of the proceeds if the property is disposed of - Why not. All 268 owners have the same right solong they are paid up.Oct 30, 10:54 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  109. leonThe deeds office said that any Association has the right to change their name as the rules stay the same. No Associations is however registered with them. You know this very well. Testing people is cruel.And yes it does say that I own the ground on which SMRC is standing on until I sell then it gets transfereed to the new owner as part of the privilige to stay in San Marina.Give me your details and I will mail it to you. At least I can see who JT really is.My cut feeling says that you stay in San Marina as you know a few things that other people do not know. Where you at the AGM?I also have a feeling that you stay alone - to play around on a PC 12 pm at night . No one to play with - physically?? Or do you enjoy being in front of the PC.The virtual world is not real. I hope you realise that.Oct 30, 10:52 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  110. jtIf the MDGA dissolves, the spoils are divided amongst the members (just not the deposit money). Now don’t get excited. The SMRC is a bit different - you don’t get a share of the proceeds if the property is disposed of.Oct 30, 10:38 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  111. Mama MiaMr. Lee, I am hiding behind an alias because I am scared you are going to hunt me down and put me out of my misery like a sick animal. Call me a spineless coward if you like, but rather a Bang Jan than a Dooie Jan.Oct 30, 10:33 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  112. Mama MiaIf no-one volunteers to become committee members, we will have a street party and dance till dawn. The money can be used to pay any debts (although there should not be any) and use the rest to buy bubbly for the party.Good question though. Why are you wasting your time volunteering?Oct 30, 10:27 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  113. Peter ElJt, your comments, once again, makes no sense whatsoever. The club itself is not forcing anyone to belong to it - It is a legal requirement as per your Deed of Transfer/Sale.
    If the “little guys” cannot afford R50 per month may I suggest that they sell their property to someone who will appreciate having the use of the club’s facilities and move across the road into a shack along with our Vrygrond neighbours. Just think you wont have to pay for rates, water or any other levies, most of all the princely sum of R50 p.m. to S.M.R.C. Electricity may be a problem. Jt, are you one of the “little guys”?Cathy, while you are going about with your petition, why not draw one up to present to the City of Cape Town objecting to paying for rates, water, electricity etc. Or even better, petition Mr Trevor Manuel objecting to the payment of income tax. Now there’s a good idea!Oct 30, 10:12 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  114. jt So Leon, what did the Deeds Office tell you about the MDGA name change?
    And does your title deed really say that you ‘own’ the SMRC?Oct 30, 9:22 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  115. leon What will happen if no one volunteers to become commitee members at the upcomming AGM.Does the MDGA still excist or will they be disbanded.Who will pay the debts.What happens to the money.If they have no power to inplement anything why should they waste their time by volunteering for something that has no real meaning. It is only a name then.Oct 30, 9:14 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  116. leonIt is already falling apart.Tokai, Constantia, Kirstenhoff is exclusive to the higher class of working people and they have the urge to make sure that their house prices keep on going up.Take a walk around the area and you will see that the Marina is not that special area any more. Houses is grey in colour instead of white. Wooden fences is rotten and some even beyond repair. Scrap is parked in front.People have lost the urge to do what needs to be done. maybe because of the financial pinch or just plainly dont care attitude.Now what?Do the MDGA ask to have that repaired or do they leave it. If they ask they are then told they are dictators. If they leave it then it becomes worse to the point of no return. Start to look like Vrygrond.We all know that if you ask council to intervene you are asking for a miracle.Oct 30, 9:01 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  117. AdminUnfortunately, due to the fact that comments were already made to this post, it cannot be removed. Feel free to write another post. In most cases we submit to such requests, but please take note that we do reserve the right to place it or not.Oct 30, 8:53 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  118. AnitaMr Lee, you forgot the most important parts. The Marina da Gama Association may be legal, but it is not the association referred to in my title deed, and therefore is already a voluntary association.Council has the right to approve or reject building plans. NOT THE ASSOCIATION. The Association only has the right to comment on them. Just like a neighbour would have if you were to build a garage on your boundary line. Council may, in their sole discretion, accept of reject the Association’s comments. Council may, and have, approved building plans without the Association’s permission.The Association does not regulate the white walls. It was regulated (made Law) in 1987. ONLY THE CITY ENGINEER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT (Council) MAY ALLOW CHANGES TO THE COLOUR OF THE WALLS. It’s the Law. Again, it has nothing to do with the Association.Council by-laws prevent you from having your grass any length you want or having an old rust-bucket on the street.If the Association want to force people to do anything, they have to do so through Council or the Courts, just like a voluntary ratepayers’ association.My question is… Why do you think everything will fall apart if we don’t have bullies around? Why should Marina Da Gama start looking like Vrygrond? What about Tokai, Constantia, Kirstenhoff etc. They don’t have home-owners’ associations bullying them and people do seem to look after their properties there. Do you really believe that the people of Marina Da Gama have less pride in their properties?Oct 30, 8:44 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  119. leonThis was put up quickly. I have not had a chance to put both sides of the story together yet. Can we remove it and put up a proper one with facts attached. I will have it ready by this afternoonOct 30, 8:15 AM — At the Request of Mr. Lee
  120. leonDoes that now sound like a personal threat?Anita already asked that personal threats to be stopped as it is not funny.It can become real.Look at at Tony who shot his family due to outside pressure.Oct 30, 8:11 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  121. Mama MieMr. Lee, there is a third alternative. We can hunt you down and take you out like a sick animal.Oct 30, 7:59 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  122. leonNow about the MDGA.To put this now in a nutshell is as follows.According to what I see here is that the MDGA is legal but the constitution is ilegal. The choice is now do you scrap the constition and put a new one in place as you can not have a Association without a constitution.The old one has power to dictate. It clearly says that your house must be white;your verges to be neatened and your wall to be 2.1m in height and be visible pleasant to the eye. No scrap to be in front of your house like broken rusted trailers and cars.If any of these rules are broken you get a letter of demand. You might land up in court. You are also forced to be a member at R170 a year.The new one which be in place will be voluntary. Will have no power over you. You can paint your house any colour - in my case I like purple. Do not need aproval from the commitee to put up my double garage made of zink plate as council do approve it - harsh financial times these days. My grass can grow to the lengh I want and my vehicle that was written off and rusting away can park in fron of my house. You will save a whole R170 a year and the area will then really become a special area. Can you imagine the rainbow colour houses we will have instead of that bright white.I think we should vote on the new constitution. It sounds very democratic and open minded. I do not say this in a sarcastic manner because I feel strongly to the freedom of choice. Why should I be dictated by a few who has no real interest in my needs. That little clause I have will also have no meaning to me.If this what the people want then it should be done and put in place. The members should have the right to freedom of choice.If admin will allow it I would like to have a new forum opened up on this website. It will display both sides of the story and open it up for discussion.Oct 30, 7:54 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  123. leonI think we deviated a bit of the topic so let us put in a nutshell. The SMRC was attacked specially the Chairman which is me. It was defended and now there is two choices to be made.Leave the tyrant alone and let him do his function or have him voted out.Both is quite easy. All you need to vote him out is a paid up member who is brave enough to put in a vote of no confidance. Two conditions apply here. One is to have your facts in order and the next be prepared to take over from him. No fence sitters allowed though.Anybody prepared to take that risk???Glad to see a new forum was opened up.It was my intention that when I use any content it will be credited to those who created it.Oct 30, 7:32 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  124. Vice AdminLeonHave you thought about trying to understand the frustration of some of us WHO do not want to belong to the recreational club. You in your capacity as chairman have not tried to be understanding and fair, discussed the situation, in a friendly manner.You are very aggressive and have not tried to help in any way, if I was in your shoes as chair person I would try to help as best as I could to solve this PROBLEM, in this small community of ours.Aggression and threats never work, as you get the hackles up of everyone else concerned and then there will never be any understanding.This is a small community of Marina da Gama know as San Marina and have nothing to do with the other side of the boundry and maybe as a community we could solve this problem like adults and stop acting like children who can’t get their way and throw tantrums.For those who would like to belong to the recreational club be my guest, but please stop forcing the situation on to others who do not want that, some of us have our own swimming pools and braai facilities, and as for the tennis court here is a suggestion why not charge a booking fee for the court and then those who wish to use them can do so.Here a thought, sports clubs or recreational clubs etc do not force you to become a member you have freedom of choice and not verbally attacked and forced to become a member, and as for attaching furniture and threatening people is no way to act, Leon do you have small peoples syndrome, because you cannot get your way you get arrogant and abusive…… NOT GOOD for your reputation which has gone down the tubes by 150% in some of our eyes.We have our own recreation for where we stay and we pay for that, NOW WHY would we want to pay for something else aswell. As for your comment on knowing about the club in the deed, there are some people that were not informed and were phoned by the club and told that if they did not belong then their transfere would not go through, that to me is blackmail and down right rude. Some people never knew about the club and just got accounts, no-one came to visit the new owners and explain the situation and introduce themselves, so i ask you “why do you think you are getting this reaction from some people” in the small community who just want to have peace and do what they want to do, not what OTHERS want them to do.And as for Theresa and her rude comments about her mother what example are you setting for your children….. I WONDER, you can be part of the club if you so wish but leave some of us alone.I hope in your brains you can understand, as I think a 4 yr old would understand and act better about the situation than you lot are, you are like a bunch of spoilt children, if you do not get your way then bully everyone, that does not work, as bullies get put on the back burner and no-one wants to be associated with bullies, not how things work.So try to be a bit more polite and accomodating to the situation and see if there is a way around this by Helping some of us in this small community and not bullying and harrasing those of us who would like to get on with our lives and not be part of this petty situation.Oct 30, 6:51 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  125. AdminLeonThis website is copyrighted, but may use the cartoon in your next newsletter on condition that you credit it to http://marinadagamasecurity.co.zaOct 29, 10:28 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  126. Headless Cathye, Dear, won’t you do us a favour please and go play in your room for a bit. The grown-ups are talking.Oct 29, 8:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  127. Mamma MiaSwimming in the sea is free.Oct 29, 7:06 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  128. Anita“If removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself.”Asked and answered. “and can be taken off if and when I sell my house and a new title deed has to be issued to the new owner.”“Did the SAHRC have authority to declare the Association as illegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.”The Association is not illegal. It is just not the association referred to in our title deeds and its constitution was not legally enacted. The SAHRC have the authority to make findings on the constitutionality of the Association and its constitution and to make recommendations. You are quite correct, it should be enough to have that little nonsense clause removed. The wheels of justice turn slowly. At this stage, you are not entitled to any proof.“Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.”Asked and answered. Many, many, many times already. Besides, ExCom must produce the proof that the Association is legal. You are the ones making demands on us. As per the above, the Association is not illegal, but has no legal constitution. It also does not have the right to demand membership from us. I can however assure you that some of the actions of its ExCom members are very dicey indeed. For instance, it is illegal to incite members or threaten people with violence.

    “Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???”Asked and answered. You cannot “vote out” something which was unlawfully “voted in”. You cannot legally change a constitution which has not been legally enacted to start with. Voting on the matter would be a waste of effort and time.
    “These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???”
    I have already gone to considerable effort to answer your questions.
    “Do you have your facts in order?”
    Yes.Oct 29, 6:55 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  129. jtLeon, silly me, I forgot to ask - while you’re inspecting your title deed won’t you check what information the deeds office gave you regarding the MDGA name change? Then we can discuss.
    :-)Oct 29, 6:18 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  130. jtCathye, be an Angel dear and disappear…
    (Not only have you lost the plot, you’re not even on the same page.)
    Leon, take a break. You’re starting to sound seriously loony. I know I said this site has good entertainment value, but that doesn’t make it the entertainment channel. Although I must concede that you are the star of the show. Let us know tomorrow what’s in your title deed ok? Maybe we all learn something new…
    Peter, if it’s so cheap then why don’t the guys who use the club offer to pay a market related subscription and free the litte guys who don’t use the facilities and for whom it’s perhaps not such good value? Forcing people to belong to a social club is archaic. In fact, if you levy a slightly higher entrance fee for visitors and structure the SMRC along proper NPO lines (to secure the property rates rebate Leon’s trying to wangle) you’ll more than compensate for the few missing R50’s from the little guys. You know, think outside the box, take a look around, see how similar clubs manage their affairs, get creative. Look & learn. If we respect our differences, individuality, right to choose and the principle of freedom of association we’ll all get along just fine. I promise.
    I find it truly mind blowing that we still have groups of people who feel the need to dominate others. For what? Oh yes, of course, it’s the money…Oct 29, 6:12 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  131. AdminLeonTo date, there are 78 posts and 312 comments on this website. If you click on the drop-down menu of just under the main photo of this website, you will see a list of all the posts. Alternatively, if you click on “Home” and scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will find a “Next Page” link. Click on the link and you will see the next 10 posts. Continue the process until you only see a “Previous Page” link at the bottom of the page. Please feel free to comment on any and all posts.Have fun.Oct 29, 5:17 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  132. CathyeMy!!!My!!!My!!! I really touched a nerve, didn’t I JT? You are right we don’t know each other, Thank God !! I would not want to be associated with people that are just Hot Air. Are you also one of those in arrears? from your comments it would appear so. Referring to PeterEl’s comments no one has “visited” me either. I wonder why??Oct 29, 5:12 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  133. leonYou guys must give yourself a pat on the shoulder. This is the best blog so far - 47 times commented and still counting. The closet one is Wind of change who only have 4.Think that when I publish this site in my next newsletter how the response will then be.Just a shame some of you run under aliases.Hope you guys won’t mind me using the cartoon. I want to find out if I am really a bully and a tyrant. Maybe request a referendum.Ask the members to comment on this site.Let seeOct 29, 4:47 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  134. leonIf facts is so important to you why have you or any other person not answered me on the questions I asked. Maybe hiding the truth from your followers. Maybe the truth is that you can not change anything and that the MDGA is legal.Again I ask:If removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself.Did the SAHRC have autority to declare the Association as ilegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.Is the MDGA and its constitution illegal. I need proof for this one.Remember the constitution is a living instruction to its committee members. It can be changed at any time by members like yourself. What is stopping you from doing that. I am doing it at this AGM. To much effort making up a proposal???These are simple questions but a big effort is made not to answer them. Why???Do you have your facts in order?With regard to the name change. I do not know when it was done but will find out. Just like the MDGA the SMRC have a right to change its name. Same rules still apply as per the deeds office. I queried the name change of the MDGA by them.Oct 29, 4:38 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  135. Peter ElMy, my, my!! What a lot of fuss over R50 per month. We in San Marina are really living up to the reputation of being the “Poorer Cousins” of Marina da Gama.
    Let’s see what R50 can buy. 2 packets of cigarettes, 12 beers, 7 loaves of bread, a little more than 5 litres of petrol, etc. etc. etc. In other words not very much these days! For my R50 per month my family and I get to use the swimming pool, tennis court, play park for my child and the braai area. If I just had to use the municipal swimming pool in Muizenberg alone then I would have to travel 7 km. there and back and pay R33 (R13 per adult and R7 per child)each time my wife, my daughter and I wanted to swim. That equates to no more than one swim per month for my family for my R50!! Go to any tennis club and see what it will cost to hire a tennis court.
    Cathy please advise how many of the 80 signatures you have are in arrears with their subs and who are from Fairlake. Be precise and give exact figures and don’t generalise. Why have only certain households been approached to sign the petition? No one has called on me - Coincidence!!
    I have been a member of SMRC for almost 10 years (and served on the committee under 4 different chairpersons) and have never been arrears with my subs therefore I don’t have an issue with the club. It is my opinion that the signatories on the petition are made up mainly of those who are in arrears and are looking for a way not to pay or those form Fairlake who, I heard, were told by a certain person/s “Don’t pay, they can’t do anything to you”. Well, the news is you are legally bound as per your Deed of Sale or Deed of Transfer which you signed or was signed on your behalf by the transferring attorneys when you bought your property. If you did not like the conditions then why did you purchase property in San Marina in the first place? Don’t say that you didn’t know as ignorance is no excuse.
    As for as the “hideous” wall is concerned, well it is a matter of personal opinion. Cathy, I am sure that I would find something hideous (in my opinion) on your property and the same for you on mine.
    Leon, you are doing a great job in recovering the outstanding fees form the defaulters and “free-loaders”. Keep up the good work!!Oct 29, 4:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  136. jtLeon, you have been misinformed. The legal documentation I have in front of me confirms that you are NOT the owner of the SMRC. In fact it refers specifically to MEMBERS. Oh I get it, you think that because the registered owner of the property is “The Trustees for the time being of SMRC” that this means the trustees (and therefore you) own the property. Ha ha ha ha, no dear, it means that you hold the property ON BEHALF OF the SMRC. Please don’t make me explain what that means…
    So perhaps you mean to do well and tell ‘the truth’ but facts are facts and your truth isn’t necessarily the truth. Incidentally this title deed here refers to the San Marina Sports Club - when did it change its name?Oct 29, 1:57 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  137. AnitaHi Garfield. Welcome to the discussion.I agree, until such time as the club is sold, or dissolved or whatever, the owners of the club are responsible for paying levies. Rates and taxes have to be paid, as does electricity, etc, and the owners have no choice but to pay. If, however, the majority of the owners want to get rid of the club, they should put pen to paper and have it done. Once transfer takes place, they are no longer responsible. Simple. I do know of some special circumstances for some members, but in the majority of cases, the homeowners are responsible for the levies.
    Still, the function of a chairman is not to be a bully or a debt collector and there is no reason to become personal or threatening. If the people don’t pay, let the law take its course. The courts are better equipped to handle these matters, and they do not tell debtors that they are spineless idiots blah, blah, blah. Then Leon can get on with running the club in a professional manner. Who knows, maybe if the club was run in a friendly way, more people will want to use it and pay their levies willingly without having to be sued.Oct 29, 1:39 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  138. leonI am back. Had an executive for lunch. He did not do his job properly. A bit bony though.Now on a serious note. SMRC was attacked by false information and it was defended with the truth. If you do not think so then ask away anything. I will try to answer in any way I can. If not then I will try finding out. What I know is what all owners know about SMRC.If this blog was generated to keep the average Joe informed about the activities of the Marina and also to have the oppurtunity to be little individuals who is trying their best to accomodate most then why is it so difficult to get the correct info with regard to statements that is easily thrown around here on this blog.I am being asked to supply info which everyone knows I can not give due to the fact that I do not know what you really want nor the fact that the Association is older than what I am. How can I tell you what happened 35 years ago.If you are so sure of your facts why are you still battling to disassociate yourself from them - the Pietie crowd. The answer is simple. The Association is legal and there is nothing you or me can do about it. If we could why has it not done yet.All what was achieved so far is that you have them taken to the SAHRC. Now what. Did the SAHRC have autority to declare the Association as ilegal and if that is the case where is that proof. That should be significant enough to have that little nonsense clause removed.Then you should be free of maybe me. I might consider the Pietie post. Will see how it goes at the AGM. You never know. It is also so much fun on this blog. All these intelegtial questions and ………(still waiting on the answers)Questions stays unanswered. Why???With regard to my anger management. I am working on it. I started yesterday. A whole day without outburst. A great achievement for me.Oct 29, 1:03 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  139. GarfieldI fully agree with Chairman Leon. The subs need to be paid as we all are enjoying the greal facilities @ the club.
    Viva Leon VivaOct 29, 12:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  140. DingbatFools rush in where angels fear to treadOct 29, 12:28 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  141. AnitaI enjoy the blog. Besides, Pietie is no longer an issue anyway. Didn’t he resign? So by the way, are you fixing to replace him?Oct 29, 12:04 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  142. Mama MiaPssst, Julius, your next logical step is to substitute “take you out” with “eliminate”.Oct 29, 11:58 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  143. AnitaLeon.Tony probably said the same thing just before he shot and killed his neighbour. Now he is in Valkenberg and 2 children are without a mother. Maybe you should consider going for anger management classes?Are you going to look for those documents for us? Pietie could not find it, but maybe you will have more luck.Oct 29, 11:45 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  144. leonJT: I think you are confused. The SMRC do not have members but owners. In actaul fact 268 of them. I am one of them. Ask anyone for their deed as it clearly states that they are owners and not a members. That is why fees are compulsary so that the rates,water and electricty can be paid by all.The office says hi too.Anita: If the the Association is referred to you in your title deed why have not removed it since according to you it is only a just a nonsense clause.Then you will need to spend so much time on blogs like this one.You will be FREE from all specially that Pietie(chairman) of the MDGA.Lastly I do not threaten people. I just loose my temper now and then specially when people talk because talking is nice. Then I take my frustration out on blogs like these ones.I am actaully a calm and quite person.Oct 29, 10:58 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  145. jtLeon, if you think you OWN the SMRC then you have been misinformed. Seriously misinformed.
    You were sleeping last night while I was at my computer? Gee now there’s a thought. Now why am I not surprised that you switch on your computer when you want to talk to someone? I pick up the phone…
    As an excom member of 2 associations it would be in your and your members’ best interests to consult your attorneys…after all they’d be best placed to explain these things to you in a way that you’d be able to understand.
    Are you saying that SMRC information is only made available to paid-up members? You might want to bounce that one off your attorneys as well.
    Come on, lighten up Leon you’re taking this website way too personally. At least your colleagues appreciate its entertainment value - hi guys :-)Oct 29, 10:42 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  146. leonI will take it up with them to determine the staements you make is correct.As far as the SMRC goes please make an effort to publish truth and factaul statements.We do not want everybody to know you as person who back track and only publish things to suite your need.The invitation is still open for anyone who would like to meet me face to face and meet me personally.I am at the club every weekend working to make people like Cathy’s life a misery by painting ; putting up secure wall so that the kids do not drown and forcing parents to take responsibility for their kids and not use the facility as a dumping ground for an easy way out. Making sure the inviroment is a pleasant for those who are paid up and a misery for people like Cathy.Has any of you bloggers been to the club recently or are you just assuming that SMRC is like the MDGA - a little Zimbabwe. Just do not forget to come via someone who has an ID card.I am trying my best to keep foreigners out and exploiting the rights of others.Oct 29, 10:35 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  147. AnitaLeon. Stop making personal threats. It is not funny.Oct 29, 10:33 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  148. AnitaDear LeonNow, let’s see if we can make this simple.1) There is no need to dissolve the Association. It just needs to be put in its proper place. The research I have done shows that it is not the association referred to in my title deed. As an ExCom member, you are in an ideal position to verify what I have said. All you have to do, is look at the minute book, and see that the constitution has never been adopted by the members an AGM. No legal constitution, no legal home-owners’ association. Quite simple. You will also not find a document showing Council’s approval of the constitution (a requirement in Law). All you will find is a title deed restriction, imposed in 1972, that we have to belong to an Eastlake Association. The first anybody knew of any Eastlake Association, was in 1979. This so-called Association had far different objectives than was intended for the association the Administrator called for in the Title Deed. Hmmm. what happened between ’72 and ’79? And then all of a sudden, again without the permission of the owners, a new constitution appears from nowhere in 1986. Well, Association newsletters clearly say that the owners had no say in this constitution and that the owners never even got the opportunity to agree to the contract. Sorry, I am afraid you cannot enter into a contract with someone else if that person is not willing (or even given the opportunity) to agree to the contract.
    2) So, as this is not the Association referred to in my title deed, I do not have to belong. No legal Eastlake Association (an association without a legal constitution is no legal association) was ever formed and the title deed restriction is therefore just a nonsense clause.
    3) It therefore follows that the Association cannot sue me for levies/ subscriptions or whatever, as there is no binding contract between us.Should you have any contradictory evidence, please let us have it as a matter of extreme urgency, as your failure to do so, may have serious legal implications. If you do not have any other evidence, the Association’s rightful place is as a voluntary association, and I will have no business putting a resolution forward to dissolve it, as I am no longer a member.Oct 29, 10:05 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  149. leonBy the way my office colleques and friends is getting into this blog like 7 de laan. They can not wait for the next episodeOct 29, 9:55 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  150. leonAt last I am glad to see to someone realises that there is a real world where the reality is different to fantasy.The question still remains. Why must I now go to my attorneys to find out the process. Are you guys not on the ball here. Why can you not tell me. I hope you guys do not practicing a closed door policy because that will just not be right. Do you agree?I presume now that the apartheid regime is here to stay since no one can really give proper and factaul answers.I take it they are really legal since no one got it right to change their deed either.Can I expect you to respond some time tonight again when I am sleeping and when you feel lonely to talk to someone.Can I suggest a new topic as this one is becomming boring.On a last note. I did not entertain anyone because I am a MDGA commitee member but as the chairman and owner of SMRC. I will defend it if allegations and statements are made by spineless individauls who hide behind blogs and who is not prepared to make it official by requesting information directly for scruntineering. Any information with regard to SMRC is availble to anyone who is a paid up member. I have never denied access to information and if I did then that individual should say there name and not hide behind aliases so that the commitee can action against me. The paid up members also have a right to take action as my club is not run under apartheid rules but under Zuma’s.You just need to let me know before the time so that I can get rid of the evidence. Maybe get rid of the commitee and replace them with ones I can trust to lie for me.By the way has anyone gone to Cathy yet and told her that I really do not want her to travel to the other side yet - downstairs where it is hot. The wolf is still hungry.Oct 29, 9:54 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  151. jtMorning Leon
    Not all Chairmans are tyrants. Perhaps you haven’t had the opportunity to experience great leadership yet. I’m sure you will.
    My point re apartheid is about FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION so not sure what you’re ranting on about(?)
    Re the removal of title deed restrictions there is a process that needs to be followed and I respect that process. Your attorneys or auditors will be able to explain the various options to you. Although I’m not sure why you want to remove yours all of a sudden (?)
    Thank you for being bold enough to communicate on this forum where other Excom members have been too chicken to tread. Without detracting from the serousness of the underlying issues, this website makes for great entertainment, don’t you think?
    Have a lovely day!
    p.s. must get back to my real work now…Oct 29, 8:46 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  152. leonA lot of blapper again from the folks that said they can do things. Now I get told that the association is not as bad as it is. It must just be amended to suite those who was victims of the old apartheid.Like real polititions answers do not really get answered and hide behind excuses.Why not disban the association and let people choose - No you can not because apartheid is holding you back.You still have not answered the questions that was posted nor any of the bloggers.Why do you not put in a proposal do dissolve it and have a voluntary one formed under your leadership. Hopefully it will be an open door policy just like the SMRC and not controlled like the apartheid era regime.If is removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process - why has it not been done by yourself yet.What is your solution to the dictatorship of the association.How much better it will be under your leadership.By the way all chairmans are tyrants. Because people are not mature enough to pay their subs the tyrents has no choice but to be the wolf and slowly endulge the eating of the lamb.Why does the lamb not put her money where her mouth is and back up the allections that was made. Oh I forgot she is protected by the bloggers who is not members of SMRC and has no idea what is happening because they sit on a fence and blame apartheid for her wrong doing.Let see if real answers is given on the question that was ask.Oct 29, 7:42 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  153. jtThat the SMRC is not a PBO is a huge relief
    ;-) I can’t tell you how relieved I am. Not sure that you would want it to be an NPO either though as the NPO Act actively encourages transparency. You might consider embracing the concept however and posting the financials on your website (I don’t know Cathy so can’t ask her for a copy).Oct 29, 12:03 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  154. jt Hi Cathye
    I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I am not idle by any stretch of the imagination so don’t make wild assumptions. Clearly you have little understanding of what is going on and even less tolerance of other people’s views so why waste your time visiting this site?
    Bye Bye
    Leon you miss the point - there is no need for a “new” association. The present MDGA simply isn’t what it claims to be and would continue as a voluntary association. Of course a new and different association can be formed at any time if that’s what the community chooses. Most suburbs have successful ratepayers associations and I would happily participate in a similar association here.
    It’s worth bearing in mind that the SMRC was formed with the related title deed restriction during apartheid when government doctrine didn’t exactly support freedom of association, a concept now enshrined in our Constitution.
    Your attitude towards voluntary associations and clubs speaks volumes. Are you seriously only looking out for yourself? The beauty of voluntary organisations is that they attract the right calibre of selfless folk - and it is their conduct which in turn attracts the members. Your kind seems to drive members away…Oct 28, 11:21 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  155. DingbatTHE WOLD AND THE LAMB from EASOP’S FABLESA wolf met an innocent lamb who had strayed from the fold. The crafty wolf felt rather hungry, but he decided not to kill the lamb immediately; he wanted to find some excuse for making a meal of him. “Lamb’” said the wolf, “last year you rudely insulted me.”
    “Indeed,” bleated the lamb sadly, “I was not born then.”
    Then the wolf said: “Well, you feed in my pasture.”
    “No, good sir,” replied the lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.”
    “Is that so!” replied the wolf, getting angry. “But I noticed you drinking at my well.”
    “Oh, no,” answered the lamb, “I never yet drank water, for my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.”
    At this the wolf seized the lamb saying:
    “Well! I won’t remain supperless any longer, even though you deny every one of my accusations.”
    The tyrant will always find an excuse for his tyranny.Oct 28, 10:22 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  156. KevinTheresa and Leon are doing a fine job by running the club(Theresa has only just joined the committee)If everybody stopped paying their subs the club would die.The kid’s who live in San Marina would have nothing to do and would find other means of entertainment,like practicing their artistic skills on your walls.
    I noticed Cathy was having fun at a party at the club the other night,looks like Cathy is also using the facilities and enjoying them.Oct 28, 9:38 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  157. CathyeI’m also Cathy and would like to know where on earth JT finds the time to write such rubbish. Does he or she not have anything better to do. get real and stop being such an idiot, but like the saying goes “The devil finds work for idle hands”Oct 28, 7:21 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  158. leonJT will you and Anita be the founding members of the new association?Will you be giving up your FREE time to run it?What rules will you be putting in place?What more are you prepared to give compared to the current association?I hope less talking and more doing will be happening from your side.Oct 28, 5:30 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  159. leonWe are not a registered NPO as yet. I never said we where one either.I am currently busy with it via council. Our constitution only dictates that we operate as an NPO as the clubs objectives is not to make profit. It has not done so yet either.If you are really interest in the financials of SMRC as a non member of SMRC then I suggest that you ask Cathy for it as she being a member of SMRC received the financials prior to our AGM.I will stop my servises immediatly if it becomes voluntary as it would mean that I would not not need to pay and do not need to be concerned about what happens to the voluntary money that you will be receiving. Why give up free time to something that I will not have any benefit out and also have no concern about since I will be doing my own thing without any control form any association.I joined the MDGA committee to see what it is all about since it is easy to sit on the wall and give opinions. A better perspective is achieved that way. Now that I now the how the management is run which in my opinion is hard work to please all. I can start suggesting in a professional manner and not to dignify people via a blog like this one to change the daily running of the MDGA to the time we live in. Maybe accommodate you at the same time.If it is so simple to remove the clause then why is it not published. I am prepared to pay the fees. What is the fees and what is the process.Oct 28, 5:04 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  160. AnitaAs far as I am concerned, ExCom has failed to supply me with any proof whatsoever that the Association is indeed the Association referred to in my title deed. In my opinion, it is already a voluntary Association and need not be dissolved. The clause in my title deed is a misleading clause which should be declared null and void and can be taken off if and when I sell my house and a new title deed has to be issued to the new owner.For this reason too, it is not an option to have the Association voted out. It can remain as a voluntary Association.May I ask the reason as to why you are not prepared to publish your financials? If you have nothing to hide, why hide it? It would also be of interest to anyone wanting to buy into San Marina in order to establish what their responsibilities would be.Oct 28, 4:49 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  161. jtLeon, removing a title deed restriction is a relatively simple process and if one considers the hefty levies the MDGA had planned for us any associated costs will be comparatively cheap and money well spent in the long run.
    Of course you don’t HAVE to publish the AFS on the website, but as a non-profit association there is a public interest element (as a PBO you deprive the fiscus of taxes) and accordingly it would reflect well on you and the SMRC to make them publicly available. What have you got to hide? The AFS of all listed companies are published so why not yours?
    As much as we can’t propose a resolution to undo a resolution that was passed unlawfully, we also can’t submit a proposal to undo an association’s unlawful claims to be something it isn’t. To date the MDGA hasn’t been able to properly identify itself as the same association referred to in my title deed. Now that’s a problem.Oct 28, 4:13 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  162. jtLeon, I’ve already given you my opinion. But let me elaborate. I believe that residents will readily sign up as members of a voluntary association that respects their individuality & dignity, doesn’t extort money for projects falling outside its Objects, doesn’t bully, intimidate & threaten, doesn’t withhold what should be open records, doesn’t treat its members’ legitimate queries & concerns with (what the Chairman so eloquently describes as) a ‘dismissive approach’ and doesn’t misrepresent facts at every turn.
    The MDGA Constitution is an absolute nonsense not least because the MDGA doesn’t see fit to comply with its own voting requirements - as was borne out beyond any doubt at the SAHRC mediation session (the SAHRC issued a report confirming a.o. this very point).
    Are you saying that if the MDGA becomes voluntary you and your like will no longer offer your services for free? And now why would that be exactly?Oct 28, 3:41 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  163. leonFinancials will never be displayed on any websites.If you are so convince that we do not need an Association why do you not put in a proposal do dissolve it. It can be done if the majority agrees to it. Then a voluntary membership can be put in place.Just one question though is who will be paying to remove the clause out of all the deeds of the 1300 members.Oct 28, 3:05 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  164. AnitaDear LeonYour apology comes across as insincere, given the sarcasm and feeble excuses. Your comment has not, nor can it be taken out of context. Presumably, Admin has not tampered with it, or else you would have said so. So, one can only assume that the comment was posted at your own request, there for the entire world to see. It must be remembered that it was not only Cathy whom you threatened, but anyone who dare say anything against you. The mere fact that these words even crossed your mind is frightening and must be condemned in the strongest possible terms. Nothing in your comment is more important and no real or perceived violation to your “dignity” warrants a threat of violence.Now to other matters: I have been unable to locate your financial statements on the San Marina website. Could you please direct me to the correct page?Regarding dissolving the Association, Marina Da Gama is certainly not going to turn into a shanty-town just because it no longer has a home-owners’ association to keep it in check. Most of the owners in Marina Da Gama do take pride in their properties and are quite willing and capable of performing regular maintenance without having to be told to do so by the Association. I believe that the Association is doing more harm than good by sending out those letters and know of several people who have postponed already scheduled maintenance as they do not want it to appear to be complying with the Association’s demands. Left to their own devices, they would have just done the maintenance. The MDGA is no more effective than a voluntary association can be. Both have to work through Council or the Courts to enforce the rules.I think that you underestimate the pride which the home-owners have in the Marina but the sense of community is being destroyed by the intimidating nature of its “rulers”.Oct 28, 2:08 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  165. leon if the MDGA were voluntary how many members in your opinion would remain members? 0 because it will cost them money and time. Are you volunteeringJulius seems to have taught the bloke well… just say that your comment was taken out of context and you will be fine - This was taken out of context. At least I do not hide behind an aliasOct 28, 1:51 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  166. Mama MiaJulius seems to have taught the bloke well… just say that your comment was taken out of context and you will be fine.Oct 28, 12:59 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  167. jtThe answer to your question, Leon, is no, Marina da Gama is and remains zoned a “special area”. Council will not approve building plans that don’t conform with its fairly rigid building regulations nor will it approve houses painted a colour other than white. What will happen when the MDGA is rendered a voluntary association? I think you’ll find that more residents will partake freely in discussions and volunteer their time and expertise, the affairs of the MDGA will become open & transparent and we will (re)gain a healthy sense of community where we can conduct our lives like adults with mutual respect & tolerance. I’m not sure why you’re so worried, though. If the MDGA is as marvellous as you believe, then it will surely retain its membership regardless. Now for a good question you might care to answer: if the MDGA were voluntary how many members in your opinion would remain members? How many are currently paid-up? Of how many in total?Oct 28, 12:27 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  168. leonWhen it comes to me being a member of the MDGA commitee. This is my choice. If you want to use it against me that is fine so long it is not personal.Have anyone thought what will happen if the MDGA gets disbanded. Will everyone be allowed to paint their houses any colour and build anything on their property within council rules like a zink shack for a garage. Will we loose the status of being a special area. What happens to the funds and how will it be dished out.After this issue has been won in court what will happen to the Marina. Will we become a normal area around us like Retreat;Steenberg or Vrygrond.What is the main objective after this issue has been resolved. What holds for us in the future.Any comments.Oct 28, 10:41 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  169. AdminYour comment was not blocked, but was merely awaiting moderation. All comments are screened for profanity and SPAM content. Other than that, you may say what you wish.Oct 28, 8:36 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  170. leon My previous comment this morning has been blocked…WHY???Oct 28, 8:20 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  171. leonShame that the only comment that gets repeated and out of context is that “if you make it personal I will take you out of misery”.The other false statements that is been made does not get mentioned or proven. Truth must hurt. Now you are also attacking her daughter also out of context.The cartoon is well drawn and do depicts me well. I will be using it in our next newsletter and see what responce I get. Maybe I am Robert Mugabe who runs the SMRC like Zimbabwe. Just grab what ever I see and take it for myself. The selfish bastard who only hunts down old defenseless ladies better known as Hitler and Napoleon.Warren I am every weekend at the club. If there is anybody who would like to meet me you are welcome to come down to the club. You will get me there.Maybe then you can see where all that money I take from defenseless old ladies is going too since the financials is also been critisied.On a last note can somebody please ask Cathy not to travel to the other side as I really do not want to be blamed for that.Oct 28, 7:40 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  172. jt As with the MDGA this is not a sectional title scheme with common property. This is enforced membership of a social club. It would be like everyone in Zeekoevlei being forced to subsidise the local yacht club. What happened to freedom of association? The title deed restriction is vague and misleading not to mention archaic. The SMRC owns the R2,5m+ property in its own right and has opened its doors to other sectors of the public at its discretion. Clearly membership of any recreation club that is not part of an enclosed private estate should be voluntary. I have no doubt that the constitutional court would support that principle. Leon, do the right thing and let the little guys go.Oct 28, 6:33 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  173. Mama MiaThe guy must be a Julius Malema fan. Probably also did not get his matric.Oct 28, 12:39 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  174. admin “but let it be known to all that if you make this personal I will hunt you down and take you out of your misery like a sick animal”This comment my Leon Lee I find quite disturbing. I myself have ripped off the likes of “Pietie, better known for the headless chicken chairman, Janna Mann our esteemed standards member who”s apparent eye sight is in a serious state of deterioration, and lets not forget our local councilor that absconds from the most basic of duties.
    But you Mr Lee to basically threaten who ever stands in your way. Listen take me on, at least face me like a man, Don”t threaten women by intimidation like that!!!
    Wonder if you will be so foul mouthed the time I”m finished with you!!WarrenOct 27, 8:26 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  175. AnitaIs this the Theresa who said “The more members of the committee you meet, the less you will want to fight with them, because as I have realised over the last few months as Secretary, they are very kind and helpful people.” in the “Excom members respond” post?Theresa, do you have any idea what “kind and helpful” means? You attack an elderly lady on the internet, calling her an “idiot” and to “catch a wake up”. You publicly support the SMRC Chairman who tells her that he will hunt her down and take her out of her misery like a sick animal.The Chairman does go on to apologise, but in the same apology he calls her an “imuture”(sic) coward. And then he has the gall to say “so long it is not personal.”!!!! So it’s ok for him to get personal, but anyone trying it on him will be “put out of their misery”?Be careful whom you associate with, Theresa. People do tend to judge you by the company you keep. If Cathy is indeed your mother, Theresa, shame on you!! May your children never turn on you like you turned on their grandmother.Oct 27, 5:57 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  176. jt Leon, no offense but what you write doesn’t make any sense.You can choose to be a member of the MDGA? The rest of us are being told that we have to belong. What do you know that we don’t?If the MDGA affair reaches the High Court I will still present your representations as evidence that you are unfit to hold a position of trust. I’m afraid your loony ranting this morning can’t simply be written off with an ‘oops I’m sorry I didn’t mean it’. The damage has been done.Not wanting to get personal, I trust you understand the full implications of your threat?Oct 27, 5:43 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  177. leonI might have taken things a bit seriously this morning therefore I apologize.I do not like it when allegations and statements is thrown around in the world wide web when it is untrue and unfounded.The club has an open door policy and all info is readily available via the website. It is availible to all paid up members too.It is people like Cathy that starts rumours then hides behind everyone else when the time of explaining needs to be done. I do not like it when the club’s reputation is been damaged by imuture people who do not have the courage to come to the AGM and voice their opinion. They send their followers.When it comes to me being a member of the MDGA. This is my choice. If you want to use it against me that is fine so long it is not personal.That is all I have to say.Oct 27, 4:53 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  178. Anita San Marina Recreational Club seems to have its own little Robert Mugabe. Saying things like “I will hunt you down and take you out of your misery like a sick animal” could land Mr. Lee in big trouble, as, should anything happen to Cathy in the mean time, he could be held directly responsible. I would suggest that Cathy (and anyone dealing with the San Marina matter) immediately get a restraining order against Mr Lee.
    If Mr. Lee wants to protect his “dignity”, he should refrain from using bad language and threats. No-one could have injured his “dignity” as much as he himself has done with this comment.
    Doing a job for “free” does not give you licence to abuse.Oct 27, 4:19 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  179. jt Hey Theresa isn’t Cathy your mum???Oct 27, 3:33 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  180. jt Come on, Leon, calling everything written on this website cr*p is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, don’t you think? Most of what is written about the MDGA (of which you are an Excom member) is true - as for ‘your’ SMRC I really wouldn’t know, but sincerely hope it’s not a case of same old same old.You’re going to hunt people down to take them out their misery like sick animals? Well, now THAT’s positively psycho (I’m not surprised people like Cathy haven’t approached you!). If the MDGA saga ends up in the High Court I’d present your representations as evidence of your unsuitability to hold a position, ANY position, of trust. Is this how you intend sorting out those “bitter-einder” MDGA members now that the Chairman is moving on to greener pastures? Because if so, then you’re seriously misjudging the situation.Have a nice day :-)Oct 27, 2:52 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  181. Theresa Hello Cathy
    Where will I go and play tennis and swim in Summer if you close down the club? It is only R50 per month for me to enjoy all the facilities there as I cannot afford to buy a house with a tennis court and pool and myself and my family have so much fun there? Why do you want to spoil things for the people that are enjoying the club?
    TheresaOct 27, 12:26 PM — San Marina residents take a stand
  182. Theresa Cathy was complaining about the standards in San Marina. After years of trying to get people to comply, fining people was suggested. If you have a better idea I suggest you bring it up at the AGM. If you don’t trust Excom, why don’t you join and see for yourself. Instead of wasting all your time and energy getting more bitter and twisted about the situation you find yourself in, why not do something positive in your community? Talking of idiots - Did you guys not read your title deeds when you moved in here? Catch a wake up!Oct 27, 9:55 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
  183. leon Good morning
    I am glad to see that I am been talked about. That means I am doing my job as the Chairman of San Marina. I encourage in what you are doing as it must be hard to get those signatures.I have no problem people attacking me as the Chairman of the club but let it be known to all that if you make this personal I will hunt you down and take you out of your misery like a sick animal.I encourage all to question any activity that happens at the club including financials. If you feel that there was financial gain by anyone then I encourage you to request the financials which was given to you via the auditors. Before making allegations make sure your facts are in order as I am prepared to protect my dignity to the full extent.When it comes to the decision making of the club it is up to the commitee to decide on behalf of yourself since you have no interest in it. Do not judge them as they are giving up their time for FREE to cater for your needs.With regard to the R5 per child using the pool. I do not know who told you this as it is false. No money has been taken from anyone in the last year and a half since I have been on the commitee. If it is happening then I need to know so that I can take legal action.With regard to the wall. This was a legal mandate that we had to do but since you are not a tennis player how can this bother you. In actaul fact you are the only only who ever complained about it. Everyone is quite inpressed with it.Again I say that if you have an issue with me then be brave enough to confront me face to face and not like a coward who has nothing better than the write crap like this on blogs.This will probaly never be displayed as I am prepared to stand up for my commitee and the property I own namely San Marina Recreational Club.Oct 27, 8:35 AM — San Marina residents take a stand
  184. ROBBIE thank you very much for your comments,i’m still fighting every single day for justice and will continue. i wonder if you are one of the policeman whom was across the road at pick n pay one night when my dog had bitten a guy who was trying to steal the flag poles?????Oct 15, 11:47 PM — Cries for Help Ignored
  185. jtyou may not be, but clearly we do have idiots among us. these guys truly believe that they have the right to hold sway over the rest of us and will stop at nothing to teach us a lesson for not acting & thinking like them. we’re in the midst of a global meltdown (a breeze has tipped the proverbial stack of cards) and these folk are still obsessing about their property prices falling due to the spot of mouldy paint next door. sad people sad…
    not far off is the City of CT’s solution to anti-social behaviour: …fine those damn begging bastards for hanging around street corners, laundry blowing in the wind next to the freeway, and peeing in public… now uh duh hallo - if people are homeless, unemployed, displaced etc how on earth do you expect them to pay fine upon fine upon fine????? talk about taking food out of mouths. City of CT, you may need more money in the coffers to pay for the stadium but please go back to the drawing board on this one!Oct 15, 8:05 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
  186. Ex Policeman. 2 I also used to work at Muizenberg Police Station and now also live in the U.K!
    Is this surprising from the current Policing Proffesional….NO!!!!
    We can make all kinds of excuses for the police in todays climate but the underlying truth is they joined the police to protect and serve? Unfortunately this does not take place anymore.
    I agree with all that was said in the previous posting (Ex policeman said,).It is generally mentioned that poorly performing police officers are generally corrupt………… read between the lines.When I was serving at Muizenberg then,it was common knowledge amoungst the permanent staff that certain inapproapriate activities were taking place, how it all gets covered up and even at the highest level.I still get to hear what is happening at Muizenberg from a very reliable source, the only difference between my time and now..is that its gotten worse.
    As for those policeman mentioned in yr article, I also knew and worked with most of them and honestly I would not put my trust in them.This is only the tip of the iceberg, if only the truth could be told!I am almost sure Ex policeman and myself served together and if im correct this truth about Muizenberg police members would be causing you a moral delema as to expose or remain silent and secretive in yr knowledge!I am so sorry.Thankfully the likes of the Mountain Men are around. Yes ask them they have answers for you!Oct 13, 11:05 PM — Cries for Help Ignored
  187. jt On a more serious note, it’s quite shameful that the Chairman either disregards or doesn’t understand his fiduciary duties towards his members. The Chairman’s Report is a formal report in which the Chairman is called to account to the members on association business. Instead our Chairman uses the AGM and this Report to name drop, blow his own horn, tell jokes and call people names - all in decidedly poor taste. Mr Chairman, we don’t care that you are so involved in various charities (as you’ve been rubbing in our faces AD NAUSEUM), have been appointed Chairman of the Muizenburg Historical Society (clearly another job nobody wants) and are bosom buddies with our local ward councillor. Why don’t you just practice what you preach, commit yourself to a charity full-time and go about your business quietly and with dignity?Oct 9, 10:47 AM — (Pietie)Chairmans report
  188. adminJT now that’s putting it bluntly.Damn good point. Unfortunately this chairman is quite thick skinned along with his Excom goons thus quite doubtful he will get the point.Oct 2, 7:54 PM — Do you smell that!
  189. jt Ha ha ha ha Mr Chairman, I must hand it to. I haven’t laughed so heartily for a long time. I of course refer to your little story about Jimmy & Sally in your Chairman’s Report to be presented at the Nov 2008 AGM (available at www.mdga.co.za for those who haven’t seen it). I, too, have a little story…“A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.
    Morals of the story:
    1) Not everyone who sh*ts on you is your enemy.
    2) Not everyone who gets you out of sh*t is your friend.
    3) And when you’re in deep sh*t, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!Oct 2, 3:35 PM — Do you smell that!
  190. WallyIt would be impossible for the ExCom members to clean up their mess. I do find it hillarious though that they are now scouting around for suitable candidates. Who do they think they are? ExCom members are supposed to be voted in, not recruited beforehand by an incompetent outgoing committee.
    Any idiot who will vote yes to fining ourselves must have his/her head read. I will never give these arrogant bozoes the right to fine me. Do they think I am an idiot?Sep 20, 11:07 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
  191. jtthe pothole slap bang in the middle of the road that runs along the railway line near the Lakeside crossing is turning into a crater. i’ve often wondered why it is that over the years the Council seem incapable of fixing this hole. all the ‘plugs’ shoved in there take a month or two to unplug themselves each time leaving a slightly bigger hole than before. the cost of the man hours and materials poured into just that one bottomless pit alone must have reached ridiculous figures by now. why is it not possible to retar that particular strip of road to fix it once and for all? this situation has been going on since i moved here in 2003 and probably started long before that. a small hole has turned into a dangerous crater. did i mention that it’s on a sharp bend? this is a very popular road which i’m sure our Ward Councillor must use regularly himself (unless he takes another route to avoid the pothole of course) but really is it too much trouble to ensure that it is fixed properly and that our rates & taxes are not wasted? after all there must be SOMEONE in the City of Cape Town who knows how to fix a pothole.Sep 20, 8:34 AM — Potholes
  192. James Hi, I found your blog on this new directory of WordPress Blogs at blackhatbootcamp.com/listofwordpressblogs. I dont know how your blog came up, must have been a typo, i duno. Anyways, I just clicked it and here I am. Your blog looks good. Have a nice day. James.Sep 19, 11:41 AM — 8 of 10 EXCOM MEMBERS QUIT
  193. jtThe Chairman (by his own account ex DELOITTE & TOUCHE!!) in his August newsletter (refer www.mdga.co.za) advises that ‘they’ wish to implement a system of fines to bring wayward members into line and more importantly to AVOID High Court Action they believe is required to enforce building standards. Surely taking steps to effectively deny a member his day in Court is a deliberate attempt to defeat the ends of justice? Not to mention the unlawfulness of trying to collect yet more monies from members in the form of fines via a Magistrates Court instead of resorting to the ARBITRATION provisions in its own CONSTITUTION. This is not a private estate a la Silverhurst - this is a public suburb like any other where Council and not the MDGA approve building plans. The MDGA with a voluntary (could be dodgy Roger for all we know) Excom is merely afforded the option of lodging objections with Council within a limited time period for Council’s CONSIDERATION.
    What do the Excom think they’re doing proposing yet further highly controversial amendments to the constitution on the eve of their departure anyway? Or is this just a desperate scramble to source funds to meet their cashflow requirements? Perhaps members are not paying the subs that were approved without a budget? Or do they want the new Excom to have the means to punish their ‘enemies’? How childish and short-sighted. The Excom STILL over a period of MANY YEARS hasn’t managed to secure the community’s support for the implementation of a Marina-Wide Security Scheme yet they refuse to undo the ridiculous 2006 amendments they contrived - have they lost touch with reality to such an extent they can’t see that they’re chasing rainbows? Exceeding their authority at every turn and infringing on people’s property rights in the process… Do these people have no conscience or are they just blinded by their own stupidity?
    THIS ASSOCIATION IS DEFUNCT AND IT IS HIGH TIME THAT THE MDGA EXCOM HOST AN OPEN FORUM WITH THE NECESSARY PROFESSIONALS IN ATTENDANCE TO ADDRESS ALL MEMBERS’ QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS - IN THE INTERESTS OF TRANSPARENCY AND JUSTICE. WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN DONE? WHY DOES THE MDGA REFUSE TO DO THIS? THE ASSOCIATION’S ATTORNEYS AND AUDITOR (BOTH OF WHOM HAVE SERVED THE MDGA FOR APPROX. 20 YRS) SHOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE OF THEIR TIME FOR THIS PURPOSE - WHY NOT? WHAT QUESTIONS DO THEY NOT WANT TO HAVE TO ANSWER? WHY CAN’T MEMBERS SEE THE RECORDS AND CORRESPONDENCE WITH ITS LEGAL ADVISORS & AUDITOR? The Excom have been bleating more recently that the association belongs to the members - yeah right. Why do they persist in flouting their own Constitution and continue to keep the records under lock and key??????Sep 16, 8:14 AM — You Strike a Woman, You Strike a Rock
  194. jtthe Thai premier has had to resign because he gave some cooking lessons - a message in there somewhere perhaps for the mdga executive? they would do well to try understand the underlying issue re the Thai premier - that certain conduct is not acceptable when you hold a position of trust…Sep 9, 4:36 PM — Above the Law?
  195. adminIt does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority.Sep 7, 9:22 AM — You Strike a Woman, You Strike a Rock
  196. adminDefinition of Political Correctness: A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority,and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous Marina Association and other non-inquiring members, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.Sep 7, 9:20 AM — Above the Law?
  197. admin To know the truth when it is not fashionable is hard. To tell the truth when it is illegal is even harder. Come on Mr Qually how about quacking a backbone and do something for your ward.Sep 7, 9:14 AM — Potholes
  198. TLI actually prefer the white.
    Multi-colours would take away part of the uniqueness that is the Marina. It would look like any ordinary residential area (water aside). Also, as far as maintenance goes, residents who aren’t properly maintaining their property now, aren’t going to maintain it any better just because it’s a different colour. In fact, it could end up looking terribly messy after a few years.
    And as far as nature being wrong goes??? A rainbow is muli-coloured, yes, but, the sky is blue, clouds are white, grass is green, the ocean blue… each in their own place to make up this wonderful world we live in… (I don’t think I’d quite like a multi-colour sky, ocean, clouds…)Aug 26, 2:15 PM — A Colourful Marina?
  199. mortgage savings accountAmazine site
    Thanks, webmaster.Aug 25, 7:19 PM — Email sent to Jan de Groote
  200. OlafGracias. Beautiful site. I’ll become your regular reader.Aug 25, 10:36 AM — Protected house? Really?
  201. jta member of Excom serves as debt collector for the association? uh hallo conflict of interest?
    i have specifically requested details of related party payments - alas the mdga/excom refuse to comment.
    we’re still denied access to the association’s records contrary to the mdga’s constitution (which you can now view in all its discriminatory glory on the mdga website). why?
    the appointment of this debt collector, the related party relationship and its contractual terms & conditions should have been formally approved by members at an agm, and should have been reassessed at each subsequent agm as part of the budget process - with comparative quotes of course.
    as for the subscription now being demanded of us, i didn’t receive the proposed amendments before the agm (after I’d requested this timeously) and the new subscription was approved without any budget.
    excom maintained at the sahrc mediation session that subs are not intended for postage & stamps. so i ask with tears in my eyes why must i pay money to an association that can not or will not produce a detailed budget with full disclosure at the appropriate time and has little appreciation for the fact that postage & stamps is one of the MAIN reasons for raising subs?
    why should i contribute to the mdga’s coffers when excom maintained at the same sahrc mediation that a mere 2/3’s constitutional vote is STILL all that is required to kick-start the exorbitant levies and marina-wide security scheme? a legal opinion holds that a reasonable interpretation of the preface page to its amended constitution is that 90% of ALL MEMBERS must VOTE in favour of any proposed levy/security scheme (take a look and see for yourself).
    worried about being sued for subs? not at all.
    concerned about an association that doesn’t understand and abide by it’s own constitution? absolutely.Aug 20, 3:50 PM — Letters of Demand
  202. Alex Your blog is interesting!Keep up the good work!Aug 16, 1:12 PM — Help/Donations needed - Xenophobic attacks
  203. foorkgarThanks for the postAug 3, 7:54 AM — A Colourful Marina?
  204. MelI find it hillarious that the public is being protected from water bordering on public area. Who thought upt this particular load of garbage? For goodness sakes, who do they think they are fooling? It is criminal that public open spaces are thus annexed. I think JT got it right. Why should anyone please explain to Richard Gie why they want to use this area.Mr. Qually, what are you going to do about it?Jul 30, 1:42 AM — Marina Da Gama - a Little Zimbabwe?
  205. jtBut isn’t that Richard Gie’s house? So let me get this straight - if I want to picnic and let the kiddies put a canoe in the water I must knock on HIS door to get the key? What if he isn’t home? Forget about the association - they’re closed on weekends. But why must anyone explain themselves to Richard Gie or the association when it comes to public-use Council property? More importantly what about those off-water properties that enjoy rights of access to the water across these erven in terms of their title deeds?????? Did Council approve this? Were all affected properties formally notified before their property rights were unilaterally negated? What says the Ward Councillor who lives down the road? Or is he too biased to take a stand? Who is going to compensate those property owners for the loss in value when they sell their homes minus the attaching water access rights that must carry some value?
    For those in the dark, Marina da Gama is not an enclosed private estate. It’s a suburb with public roads and spaces where some residents have entrenched rights of access to water across certain erven. At the very least they need to be consulted by Council. The MDGA and perhaps this time Helen Zille obo the City of CT must please explain…Jul 29, 8:23 AM — Marina Da Gama - a Little Zimbabwe?
  206. AnitaWhat scares me is what we actually do know about these individuals - they are prepared to lie, distort facts and are not above offering the odd bribe. How are we supposed to trust them?Jul 22, 2:11 PM — Winds Of Change
  207. jt
    I really like the new MDGA website and think it will do wonders to inform especially non-resident members and prospective home buyers - when the pertinent information about the association is posted for all to see that is. By pertinent I mean of course its December 2007 constitution, rules and regulations legally enacted together with an abridged cv of sorts for each of its office bearers. Seeing as the association’s office bearers are for the most part co-opted or in by default (as opposed to being voted in) it’s no wonder members are less than enchanted. We don’t know much about these individuals who want to tell us how to live our lives, take our money and claim to know what we think when making representations on behalf of the SUBURB known as Marina da Gama…Jul 21, 8:07 AM — Winds Of Change
  208. HeadlessI can deffinately feel the winds of change blowing. One only has to look at the “pink” house to see exactly how much power the association really has to see that the chains that bound us is breaking. Pretty soon the winds will reach hurricane strength and the association will be blown to hell and gone. Good riddance!Jul 20, 7:02 PM — Winds Of Change
  209. jtthis association wants to enjoy the powers of both an hoa and a ratepayers association and everything inbetween and beyond. without so much as a clear majority mandate. to secure their status in this suburb they persist in disseminating what can only be described as grossly distorted facts. it clearly hasn’t occurred to the association’s office bearers that collecting monies under false pretences and causing residents unnecessary cost due to building delays etc could not only result in charges of negligence against the association but also CRIMINAL charges against them the office bearers personally…Jul 20, 9:08 AM — Winds Of Change
  210. jt…especially since the association hasn’t seen fit to formally copy each member with the updated constitution. surely each party to an amended contract must be given a copy? with such a large membership, many of whom are non-resident, it’s quite conceivable that many members/residents still have no idea that the constitution has been altered.Jul 16, 10:39 PM — Marina Da Gama Association Constitution
  211. jtGood to see that the light has finally dawned on our Excom friends that members are (LAWFULLY) entitled to see the minutes of their meetings. Pity though that they believe a watered down version of their minutes will suffice. Now do they honestly believe that their members are a bunch of idiots or are they themselves sorely lacking in that department? Either way, I have no confidence in this association to look after our money let alone our safety. As it is, with each new issue the Marina News seems to be less and less about MDGA and marina matters and increasingly more about other issues and entities. I’m sorry but this seriously baffles the brain. Not that I’m insensitive to the other issues and entities who do a lot of good work, but it just seems misplaced in what is supposed to be a newsletter funded with members’ subs. The association can finance a cheery generalist publication but pleads poverty when it comes to postage stamps and registered mail for important notices not to mention paying for the services of an independent registered auditor (even though the latter is provided for in the constitution). Too weird!Jul 13, 5:41 PM — Life is a box of chocolates - full of surprises
  212. DocI think it is time we get rid of the bloody Brits on Excom. They are a bunch of idiots and they think the world turns around them. We are sick and tired of just falling in with there plans. Who is game to get rid of these idiots?Jul 10, 6:03 PM — Life is a box of chocolates - full of surprises
  213. Piet PompiesLove the colours too. Think it is time we change the colour scheme of the Marina. White is not practical and residents do not look after the maintenance of the properties. Rather have a different colour than white and it is also cheaper to maintain.Jul 10, 6:00 PM — A Colourful Marina?
  214. DocGreat to read about Marina matters at Heathrow Airport. Looking forward to be back home next week and hear all the latest news. Cheers
  215. residentIf you leave me a forward address, I will show you what nature can do with colour (on the same picture above).Jul 2, 4:46 PM — A Colourful Marina?
  216. residentI love the colours…Jul 1, 6:10 PM — A Colourful Marina?
  217. Anita 

    Hee hee, except that he forgot his dictionary at home
    ;-)

    Jun 28, 7:04 PM — Life is a box of chocolates - full of surprises

  218. jtyou want to know what happened. that’s kind of hard to explain but i’ll try…
    imagine yourself trying to convince someone that the world is indeed round for this, that and the next factual reasons and not flat as he claims. you point out the moon and the stars and explain a bit about time, the speed of light, day and night and so forth. then you establish that actually he’s not entirely sure if the world is flat-flat, sloped-flat, part-flat, crinkle-cut-flat, pink-flat, upside-down-flat, spotty or if we’re even talking about the world never mind where or what it is. then he looks up ‘flat’ in the dictionary and insists that it can’t be round and is definitely flat - no matter what it is you’re talking about - and proceeds to fling a frisbee across the table to prove his point. now you’re thinking this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever right? well, you’d be right and that pretty much describes my experience of the meeting…Jun 28, 10:15 AM — Life is a box of chocolates - full of surprises
  219. AnitaSorry, you are right. It is a bit cryptic.The Executive Committee were not willing to reverse the changes to the constitution and the SAHRC have agreed to continue helping the complainants in this matter. What is going to happen from now on is not sure, but we will be meeting shortly at which time a plan of action will be formulated.As I said, I will keep you updated as and when it becomes appropriate.Jun 27, 11:30 AM — Life is a box of chocolates - full of surprises
  220. Noga Headless ChickenThat’s very cryptic, what happened?Jun 26, 1:35 PM — Life is a box of chocolates - full of surprises
  221. AnitaWhat a meeting!!! I can only concur that life is full of surprises, especially of the chocolaty variety. But I can also say that hope springs eternally. We certainly have a great community and thanks for all the help, guys.As JT said, we don’t dare draw conclusions yet, but will keep you updated as and when it becomes appropriate.Jun 25, 9:00 PM — Life is a box of chocolates - full of surprises
  222. jtI attended today’s mediation session and wish to thank everybody who attended - especially the SAHRC representatives who afforded us this opportunity when there are so very many other pressing issues at this time. A bouquet, too, to the MDGA representatives, Peter Harrison, Peter Joubert and Bob Craske for making the effort - and pointing out that we were lucky to be graced with their presence. We couldn’t agree more. I appreciate that it is not often that the MDGA Excom find themselves in a forum where they are not only asked questions but are also expected to answer them - truthfully. As for what transpired at the hearing I don’t dare draw conclusions, but Forrest Gump’s “life is like a box of chocolates…full of surprises” springs to mind as a most fitting summation of events.
    Thank you again to everyone who participated.Jun 25, 6:44 PM — Let’s Talk
  223. Dingbat;-)
    And a wonderful trip you will have.Jun 24, 7:07 PM — Let’s Talk
  224. MelMay the forces be with you.Jun 24, 7:04 PM — Let’s Talk
  225. Noga Headless ChickenGood Luck and please do your best for us, Anita.Jun 24, 7:01 PM — Let’s Talk
  226. jtWOOOOO HOOOOOOJun 24, 5:33 PM — Let’s Talk
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  228. MSHmmmm, so they know who you are, do they? So … it’s a question of don’t mess with us or we will mess with you? Hmmmm…. Could this possibly be a form of not so subtle intimidation?Jun 13, 12:38 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  229. llAnd don’t forget that the perks also cover the whole extended family. Niether they nor you will ever have to conform to standards again.Jun 13, 12:30 PM — At a Glance/Job Available
  230. JToh they most certainly do know who i am. i know that they know who i am and they know that i know that they know who i am….Jun 12, 9:19 AM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  231. jtYou forgot to mention the best bits:
    1. you needn’t worry about interviews, that dreaded cv interrogation and pesky credit/character reference checks - nobody else wants the job anyway so these are dispensed with
    2. it’s really the easiest job in the world because only one or two people make all the decisions - and you’re not one of them
    3. being a ‘volunteer’ grants you some holier than thou status and automatically indemnifies you should you disregard any laws, rules, ethics, morality, the MDGA constitution or any of those other nigglies that are such a waste of time
    4. the MDGA are continuously looking for short cuts to reduce the amount of work - eg. instead of having copies of the new (seriously) amended constitution printed & sent to their 1300+ members, so much better if they have to ask us to print a copy and then collect themselves - IF they know to ask that is ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    5. oh yes and after serving a year or two doing as little as possible in whatever way you like you can list the invaluable experience you’ve gained on your CV - in which case you may just get that plum job on the Marina Wide Security Scheme…Jun 12, 8:39 AM — At a Glance/Job Available
  232. MSHi JT.Just ignore them. They probably know who you are and are just picking on you. My own house needs a serious paint, so why have they not contacted me, but have singled you out? At the end of the day, 90% of all houses in Marina da Gama need to be painted, so if I were you, I would just leave it and paint if and when it suits you. After all, your house is probably your biggest investment and you are not going to let it go to pot just for the hell of it.Jun 11, 12:09 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  233. jtso guys where does that leave me for being a naughty girl and not painting my white walls whiter sooner at the behest of the MDGA? i suppose we’ll soon find out so watch this space…Jun 10, 1:02 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  234. AnitaThe change of the colour scheme is not up to Excom (or any of us, for that matter - even if we have a vote and the majority of the residents agree thereto). Excom can complain and moan about the colour, but if the resident ignores them, Excom themselves cannot do anything about it. Provincial Government was the governing body who instated the law that no homeowner of Marina Da Gama may change the colour of their house without the written permission of the City Engineer. This was Gazetted in October 1987 and anyone wanting to flout this law will be up against Government, not the Association. All Excom will do is go to Council, and Council will have no choice but to act against the resident. Actually, anybody can complain to Council and Council will have to act (although I am sure Excom will have no compunction in taking credit for forcing the owner to paint his house white again). I would certainly not suggest that anyone paint their homes anything but white. You will be forced to re-paint it white, or Council will paint it for you at your own expense. Sad, but true.Jun 9, 9:19 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  235. WCI love the idea of going off white/beige. Good thinking of the resident. Paint is expensive and keep painting every 2nd year white is stupid. My house will be next to go off white. There are so many different whites on the market lets challence Excom on this.Jun 9, 12:07 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  236. MSDear Resident.We have a life, a life we have bought and paid for here in Marina da Gama, a white Marina da Gama that is. In life you get what you pay for. If you pay for a cardboard box, that is what you will get. I paid to live in a neighbourhood which is uniformely white, and I wanted that to start with.I will lodge an objection with council, not this stupid association, they are useless in any event, but please, Resident, your cries of “get a life” is becoming old and sad. We did get ourselves a life. Bought and paid for by our own hard-earned cash.Jun 9, 11:22 AM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  237. JTInteresting indeed! My house is painted white but like many others is showing the normal signs of wear & tear from the relentless wind & rain of this past year. Now talk about getting a life - in just this last week the association have popped into my letter box a (unsigned) letter threatening me with legal action for not painting my parapets…
    By all means ask me to paint my pink walls and blue garage doors white, but telling me how often to paint my white walls white is overstepping the mark a bit, don’t you think? Especially in these financially trying times when we don’t all have a foreign income to help balance the budget…Jun 9, 8:07 AM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  238. joI like the uniformity of the marina,that is why I bought my property here.When I bought here I knew the exterior had to be white as it is a council bylaw.This person clearly has no respect for the neighbours or the marina in general.Lets hope the ass. or council sorts this out.Jun 8, 3:06 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  239. AKI would love to be able to paint my house something other than white, but what this person has done is wrong. I agree: white walls are ugly, cannot be kept clean and the glare cannot be good for your eyes, but even if you did not know you had to belong to the Association before you bought into the area, you knew that the house had to be white. This home-owner has left himself open to prosecution by Council and I would be surprised if it does not happen.Changing the colour of your home does not impact only on this one homeowner, but on the whole ambiance of the village. The decision to change the colour-scheme should rest with everybody who owns property in the area and not one person only.Jun 7, 6:42 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  240. LSI’ve never liked uniformity. Bring it on!!Jun 7, 4:39 PM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  241. residentNot even 1 km from you, people live in cardboard boxes, eat dustbin food and have to rob in order to survive. A little futher, 1 million people live in a township where 40% don’t have electricity, water or toilets. On your other side, people are being driven from their places of residence, simply because they speak another language… Your house value is dropping even as I write this mail. We’re entering an economic ressesion.
    No, I don’t give a damn either, but at least I don’t bicker about the colour of a house. If the colour of your house makes a difference to your mental well-being, please paint it any colour you want. Then the rest of us can have a break from this senseless talk.
    Please get a life!Jun 7, 7:25 AM — Marina da Gama’s Colour Revolution?
  242. adminNever new hijackers had a time schedule.If Muizenberg SAPS official release of only 3 hijacks for 2007 is anything to go by I would take there finding with a pinch of salt.Forewarned is Forearmed. The criminals are constantly changing their game - we need to try to keep one step ahead. It is good practice when arriving home to lock the door or close an automatically locking door / security door before disarming your house alarm. If you then find someone forcing them self inside with you, you can activate the duress signal (check with your installer to find out if your alarm is programmed with this function.)May 30, 9:42 PM — HIJACKING AWARENESS
  243. AKAccording to the Muizenberg police, most of the highjackings in the area occur during the afternoon (around 15h00 or 16h00) and the perpetrators use old Toyota Corolla’s (mostly white. When you come home, be on the lookout for anyone following you.May 30, 2:45 PM — HIJACKING AWARENESS
  244. adminSome 1,500 African foreigners who were camped out at the UN High Commissioner for Refugees’ offices in Schoeman Street, Pretoria, now refuse to eat after they were moved to a camp in the Pretoria north smallholdings area.
    They are deeply suspicious of the food given them by South African aid workers and demand that the UN provide for them in a proper UN-supervised refugee camp.
    Which does beg the question: why is the UN Commissioner for Refugees in Pretoria ignoring the plight of 5-million African refugees who have fled from the rest of the continent to South Africa?May 28, 10:17 PM — Rally against xenophobia
  245. JTI received the following advising of a convenient drop-off point:
    “…In an effort to help distribute food and essentials to those victims of xenophobic attacks, we are making a collection point at the gallery. If you have food, clothing, blankets or money to donate and are coming into the Steenberg area, please drop off donations with us and David will deliver them to various churches and shelters in our big new van. Many thanks for your generosity.
    The team at RED! The Gallery
    021 701 0886
    email: red@redthegallery.co.za
    shop G9, Steenberg Village Shopping Centre Reddam Avenue Steenberg”May 28, 10:17 AM — Rally against xenophobia
  246. MilAg sies man. The Chairman should just stay where he is.May 17, 7:54 PM — The letter got lost in the mail
  247. residentSeems that there are two things they are affraid of; (the) Truth and Reconciliation.By the way, my annual bill from them got lost in the post too. Now where will I find it…?May 17, 8:10 AM — The letter got lost in the mail
  248. MSHow rude!! Does not seem as if they want to sort out the troubles, does it?May 16, 11:49 AM — The letter got lost in the mail
  249. WassupYeah right, and the check’s in the mail, I’ll still respect you in the morning, no Dear, your bum does not look fat in those pants and yes Dear, I’ll take out the rubbish just now.May 15, 6:58 AM — The letter got lost in the mail
  250. JTA security guard is only as good as his training and inherent aptitude dictate. Is the average security guard in SA sufficiently able to recognise risk? I had a nasty experience, too, after the security guard had chatted to and directed the perpetrator to my house!! Another time when my numbers were nicked off my wall within the space of an hour, the guard stationed on the island (directly opposite some building works at the time) swore blind not one single pedestrian had walked past him all morning in either direction. I don’t mind losing my brass numbers too much, but don’t feel particularly safe with a blind security guard. Friends ridicule the ’security’ as they either drive straight through or get asked stupid questions which make the guards appear more than a few peanuts short of a packet. Since I cancelled my membership of my local scheme the guards have taken to popping slips into my letter box telling me all is in order. Well, I’m not sure how they could possibly know if something wasn’t - they wouldn’t have a clue. I’ve watched the guard ride past on his bicycle, glance at my frontage and pop a slip into my box…. Don’t get me wrong, I find the guards to be very friendly and like those I’ve come to know very much (they’d wanted to buy my old car). I also liked the blind one - he had been one of my favourites as he had seemed so on the ball. Fact remains: security is a highly specialised field, uniforms can be very deceiving and a guard is only as good as his training and own aptitude dictate. Rely on guards? By all means, but just realise that they, too, are just humans and not Robocop. Hey, can’t we recruit Vernon Koekemoer? Now there’s a scary fella ;-)May 8, 9:55 AM — False Sense of Security
  251. AnitaHi resident. I’m prepared to do a stint or two per week provided I have someone with me.Apr 27, 2:17 PM — Protected house? Really?
  252. resident…and now about that neighborhood watch? Who’s going to start a list or something with time slots where we can fill in our names and with atrating date. It would be nice to meet some new residents and to get to see what really happens at night around here…
    Come on guys. Let’s take back our streets.Apr 25, 6:59 AM — Protected house? Really?
  253. ClaudettekI am a member of a HOA currently and we are exactly going through the same thing as the Marinda Da Gama residents. Please can Anita contact me as soon as possible as we also would like to take the trustees further.Apr 24, 2:43 PM — Building Plans
  254. JTMaybe he was driving your car ;-)Apr 23, 7:32 AM — Protected house? Really?
  255. Ex PolicemanI Used to work at Muizenberg police station and am living in the uk!! I have read your story twice and know almost every person that you have mentioned! To be honest i’m not at all surprised at what Ive read and feel very sorry for you and your friend!! Especially the children!! Where are the Mountian men, they are the only security people that have an idea about whats going on with the police at muizenberg and crime in general!! They have the answers!!!Apr 23, 12:09 AM — Cries for Help Ignored
  256. AAGot my car back from Bellville (I am still trying to wash the stink of the place off me) and yes, it is definitely the worse for wear. Obviously the starter motor was damaged and they stole the battery. I did not believe it possible, but yes, it is in a worse condition than before.Thanks for your comment, Resident, I hope those bruises heal quickly. Once you fix your bike – until such time as I manage to get myself a new car – maybe I can bum a lift from you on the back of that notorious bike of yours?JT, the guard was nowhere to be seen, but then, as a sceptic of the security scheme, I did not expect him to be around when needed anyway.Apr 22, 9:50 PM — Protected house? Really?
  257. MSAnyone who believes that their home and stuff is actually protected by the guards is naïve in the extreme. A friend of mine from Pretoria’s daughter was raped and murdered by the security guard who knew that her parents were here in Cape Town on holiday. Having security guards around is more dangerous than to look after your own stuff.Resident, I hope you feel better soon. Enjoy that bike.Apr 22, 9:41 PM — Protected house? Really?
  258. residentSir
    I applaud you for your wonderful sense of humour. It must be one of the only things they cannot steal. Just last Friday I was pushed off the road (Military Road just beyond the railway line) while driving my motorcycle. The driver did not even stop after I ploughed a furrow deep enough to plant corn in with my head. A few bruised ribs, a cracked ankle and tons of blue marks later I cannot wait for the damaged bike’s spares to arrive so that I can get back on it and ride.More to the point, I have NEVER agreed with security guards. They get paid to stand and look around for a period of time and don’t accept any personal responsibility. How many more times must we learn that the only proper way to guard our properties (and sanity) is to do it personally? I am 100% for neighbourhood watch. If the boys would just get up from their couches for 2 or 3 hours a week, we can do so much more for so much less.Then again, I am a dreamer…Apr 21, 3:54 PM — Protected house? Really?
  259. JTWhere was the security guard???Apr 21, 8:46 AM — Protected house? Really?
  260. AuthorI have not checked lately, but William has probably joined the Secret Society known as ExCom.Apr 16, 7:53 PM — Help at last!!!
  261. JTWhere’s William? William, where are you? Does anybody know what happened to William? For a minute there I was convinced that if anyone could achieve what has eluded the rest of us it would be William. I was feeling quite giddy at the thought that someone might finally get through to Excom and its dear Chairman - even at risk of making us look silly for not having tried harder. For a positive result, I don’t mind feeling utterly dilly. But this silence from William worries me. Do we conclude that William has given up in the face of defeat? Willie please don’t give up, please come back, I miss your voice of reason…Apr 16, 4:55 PM — Help at last!!!
  262. MSI hear what you are saying about keeping their noses out of your business, and I can see that it would be a small price to pay for the privilege of keeping them out of your live, but I think that they should be charged, criminally, for theft.They had no business demanding a deposit in the first place.Apr 16, 10:42 AM — Building Plans
  263. HeadlessIt’s about time someone took charge. ExCom have behaved scandalously!! Is it true that Demetri had pressurised council officials? Would not surprise me.Anyway, I think that this is a scandal the Marina will take years to recover from. Who wants to live in a neighbourhood where everyone is fighting? I wonder how Demetri would have felt had he been one of the 400 not invited to the meeting? Did you notice that he did not even bother to write his normal “Councillor’s corner thing in the Marina News? (Not that anyone ever reads the drivel.Apr 15, 6:54 PM — Help at last!!!
  264. JTWhat the MDGA Excom has done is morally and ethically unconscionable. An added insult to injury is the ward councillor’s having tacitly supported their actions - a disservice to the very people he is supposed to be serving and protecting.One has to ask how Mr Qually and his spouse could have happily rubbed shoulders with the Excom at what was a private party funded with member subs ostensibly to celebrate the ‘opening’ of the new office - when the new office is literally a stone’s throw from the old premises??? And this when it’s ‘too expensive’ to use registered mail to notify members of extremely important meetings and amendments or to pay for the services of an independent registered auditor. Shame on you Excom members - all of you. And shame on you Mr Qually. Above all, SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU PETER HARRISON!Apr 15, 5:50 PM — Help at last!!!
  265. cheshirecatI agree. Shame on the Councillors. They just want our vote at election time, but when the time comes for them to really make a difference, (and earn their R1/2 million a year pay package), they do nothing. I will never vote for DQ again. Never!As for ExCom, well, I can only echo, shame, shame, SHAME on ExCom.Thank you to the SAHRC that they at least see our plight.Apr 14, 9:44 AM — Help at last!!!
  266. CheshirecatKeep their noses out of your life? Good luck. Just wait until they implement the levies!!Apr 13, 1:51 PM — Building Plans
  267. residentAh, finally an easy answer; Those who support the initiative, simply live and let live.Apr 13, 5:06 AM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  268. residentI have completed my building in 2003 and I am still waiting for their “final inspection” and the return of my “deposit”. For my part they can keep it as long as they keep their noses out of my life.Apr 13, 5:02 AM — Building Plans
  269. JTWelcome Alien
    Sadly, in this day and age certain people & organisations still don’t appreciate the need for transparency - even when they are ‘caretakers’ of funds that don’t belong to them. That attitude unfortunately leads to misinformation, suspicion, speculation and hearsay. What’s worse is that more often than not the latter is closer to the truth than one would care to believe…
    P.S. Why do you think it is that the MDGA refuse to make available to its members the records of the association?
    P.P.S. Thank Heaven for computers & these are definitely my own thoughts.Apr 9, 6:05 PM — Standards Inspector
  270. JTglad to hear it, resident - why don’t you call the Magistrate of Simons Town to find out where to lodge letters of support for the bottle store and then publish that information here for the benefit of others like yourself who also wish to voice their opinion. then everybody will know what procedure they should follow whether for or against.Apr 8, 10:44 AM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  271. residentYou said it, democracy, and I’m voicing my opinion. I do have great respect for the process. You’re welcome to ask…Apr 7, 7:03 PM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  272. JTResident, the objection process is designed to afford affected members of the community an independent means to voice their opinion - and to be HEARD. All you need do is show some RESPECT for the process. It’s called DEMOCRACY. Is that really too much to ask?Apr 7, 10:46 AM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  273. AuthorHi ResidentMy guess would be to the same address, that is, should you wish to have a bottle store in your back yard.Apr 6, 9:45 PM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  274. residentWhere do we send letters of support for a bottle store?Apr 6, 4:30 PM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  275. Alphonzoiwnice work, guyApr 5, 9:12 PM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  276. JTThanks for finding this out and letting us know - so timeously, too.Funny that we haven’t heard anything further from the MDGA. Now do you think that they were intending to let this slip by? Hmmm, I wonder…Apr 4, 5:17 PM — Tops Liquor Licence Application
  277. I_am_n_alienComputers have already revolutionized the way we live and work. Have they changed the way we think? After reading all posts I think they have. People, why do you write what you hear somewhere, not your own thoughts?Apr 3, 2:46 PM — Standards Inspector
  278. MSNow there is a voice of reason. We simply cannot allow these hooligans to take over our homes like this.Their arrogance and stubborness is indicative of big trouble to come. I shudder to think what will happen once they implement levies.Trouble is what they are looking for, and trouble they will get.If they think they are just going to ignore the people of the Marina, they have another think coming.Apr 3, 9:22 AM — The Way Forward
  279. Headless ChickenThe Chairman won’t mind you having a whiskey so much. He will probably join you!!Apr 2, 3:00 PM — The Way Forward
  280. JT I agree 100% with Marina Resident. If the 2006 amendments are allowed to stand this will effectively entrench super powers for the Association and its Excom of the day who could in exactly the same (and I believe underhanded) way compel all of us residents to hand over a % of the proceeds on the sale of our properties should they feel so inclined. Now I wonder how that would go down with everybody. Or how about if you find yourself compelled to re-bond your home in order to pay what are going to be exorbitant levies - yes sirree, this was mooted as a solution for the poorer folk amongst us. Heaven help you if you’ve applied to the Excom to be exempted from paying levies and you’re subsequently caught having a whiskey or smoking a ciggie!Apr 2, 2:03 PM — The Way Forward
  281. Marina ResidentI have not been in town and have only now had a chance to look at the website again.Well done to Anita and co. for managing to get the Human Rights Commission on board. Mediation is necessary.I have read the Executive Committee’s response to Anita’s letter and it is a load of bs. Council’s report was rejected when they resolved that the Association first get a proper public participation process on the go. I do agree with them about is that “It is time for all to move forward in the best interests of the community that we all live in.” But, in order to move forward, we first have to correct the mistakes, and, from what I understand, there were many.It is important to note that around 400 members were not informed of the meeting at which the changes to the constitution were voted in. I am one of those members. That is a significant number of people. It does not matter if it was the most well attended meeting in the history of the Marina, what matters is that 400 member were not notified of the meeting. This makes the meeting unlawful, regardless of who else attended and the decisions taken thereat cannot be binding. If the Association want to keep the changes voted in at the meeting, they will have to call another meeting, table the issue again, and get a new mandate to change the constitution. Of course, this time inviting every single homeowner.If what Anita says is correct and this constitution has never been approved or adopted by the members at an AGM. This needs to be rectified. It cannot just be ignored, as it will raise all kinds of questions in the future. So the Executive Committee will have to see that this happens. Call a meeting and have it adopted. Get the mandate you say you have and walla, no more problems.It is extremely short-sighted of the Executive Committee not to see that you cannot build a secure future based on such major oversights. It will just lead to endless problems in the future, so if you want to move forward, do it pro-actively and correct the mistakes. Then you can securely move forward, knowing where you stand.Apr 2, 9:39 AM — ExCom’s long-awaited, disappointing reply
  282. JTHow odd. The MDGA claim here that “…any home owners association constitution is the property of the members of the association and can only be changed by them. If any member wishes to do this the Annual General Meeting is the forum to do it…”Weren’t the 2006 amendments to the constitution voted on at an ordinary general meeting?? And these were amendments that altered the objects of the association and basis of recovering monies from its members - very significant changes that should have been addressed at an Annual General Meeting no less.Mar 31, 1:59 PM — ExCom’s long-awaited, disappointing reply
  283. MSPs. Would love to join you at the Human Rights Commission.Mar 28, 9:25 AM — ExCom’s long-awaited, disappointing reply
  284. MSThe arrogance is astounding. 400 people were not officially notified of the meeting, yet the changes stand.They say the most atrocious things, and merely walk away saying: “Hey, it’s not me, it’s the personal views of someone else, regardless if he is the Chairman of the committee I belong to.”If they want us to move forward, they have to admit their mistakes and correct them before arrogantly pushing through with changes based on those mistakes.This association sucks and as far as I am concerned, they must bugger off.Mar 28, 9:24 AM — ExCom’s long-awaited, disappointing reply
  285. Nog ‘n Headless Chicken And about time someone listened to usMar 21, 9:40 PM — Human Rights Commission
  286. AuthorExcellent!!Mar 21, 9:39 PM — Human Rights Commission
  287. Darrendwthats it, dudeMar 20, 7:37 AM — Human Rights Commission
  288. JTLet’s hope that this finally serves to enlighten the Executive Committee to the fact that property owners in the Marina da Gama township signed in acceptance of the restriction on their title deeds IN GOOD FAITH and that nobody is entitled to further encumber these properties beyond that which was envisaged at the time the restriction was imposed. I look forward to receiving my invitation from the SAHRC and hope that more residents will consider lodging an objection with a view to participating in what promises to be a constructive and ground breaking milestone in the history of the MDGA and the Marina community.Mar 19, 4:06 PM — Human Rights Commission
  289. Headless ChickenThis is excellent news! I will never forget the meeting in November 2006 when the Chairman of the Association stood up and sarcastically asked whether Adv. Ashraf Mahomed was present as apparently he had been invited to the meeting. The arrogance and disrespect was tangible. It was as if he was saying that the HRC has no jurisdiction over them and the objectors are a bunch of idiots for having involved them.Mar 19, 9:49 AM — Human Rights Commission
  290. AKI cannot agree more. I have been trying to get the minutes of the AGM’s from the Chairman for I don’t know how many months now, but they seem to be included in the list of top-secret documents.What have they got to hide???Mar 13, 9:53 PM — Something Fishy
  291. JTThe Chairman believes that the MDGA is a entirely private association that is not answerable to its members - to the extent that the ‘books of account’ and ‘reports’ WHICH ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS IN TERMS OF THE MDGA CONSTITUTION, are kept under lock and key. Dare ask for them and see how far you get. Why should Mr Chairman be so concerned about moles and keeping the MDGA affairs so secret? Makes you wonder…Mar 13, 5:14 PM — Something Fishy
  292. LlewellynMaria - We are near closure as far as Toni leisegang is concerned, possibility is very strong that he will become a state patient for life well cared for in a maximum security, for the mentally insane.i want to wish the Sherwood family the very best of all and trust that they will be strong in every day’s challenge facing the reality to be without Dianne. Her garden will always carries found memories for us we will never forget her as such.Mar 13, 1:58 PM — Cries for Help Ignored
  293. mariaI used to hear Tony on Cape Talk almost every nite going on and on about the security co at Marina da Gama. He is a man who loves the sound of his own voice. I think he may have been a journalist and seemed to know people in the police.
    What an awful character.
    I hope that this time the law will work for Diana’s children and all the unfortunate people who lived near this lunatic.Mar 12, 12:37 AM — Cries for Help Ignored
  294. Not so NeighbourlyNeighbourly love be damned. If my neighbour comes into my home and tells me how to conduct my life, I will tell him to get lost.Mar 11, 11:06 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  295. AnitaLlewellyn
    The one major problem is that we ARE at loggerheads about the LEGITIMACY of the association. The one side says “We have authority over you” and the other says “No you don’t. We do not accept your authority”.The Association refuses to enter into a proper public participation process. They won’t even respond to people on this site. Remember the Chairman’s quote: “Talk of a consultation process is misplaced. There is no public to consult”?Council has offered their help in a public participation process. The Independent Electoral Commission can even be involved, (from what I am told, apparently free of charge), should we have a referendum.Meetings just don’t seem to work. People get annoyed and walk out, people tell one another to shut up and sit down. Let’s have a referendum, conducted in the privacy of our own homes, executed by an independent body, with questions both sides agreed upon, and let the majority decision count.Mar 11, 11:04 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  296. LlewellynAfter reading all the comments, there was alot of thoughts going through my mind.Where are heading to? We all have positive energies and can make a difference. Let us agree that we disagree on various issues whether we legitimate or not. May I propose that we set a date to get together, we all want a better marina da Gama, yes there are challenges.Can Anita and the chairperson of MDGA and the Chair of San Marina convene this event and work towards an integrated community ( common - unity)
    we can achieve this unity - Let us address concerns where it matter the most,show neighbourly love and make the difference.Mar 11, 3:24 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  297. JT This ‘bottom up’ (so-called) Independent Security Schemes consultation process is a farce. It automatically excludes anybody who doesn’t buy into a Marina wide security scheme and thus isn’t what it claims to be. Furthermore, the amendments to the constitution were voted on based on a specific budget and security plan which have been aborted. To adopt the amendments and then embark on a (so-called) consultation process to justify making the amendments is pulling the cart before the horse - an absolute nonsense.It again begs the question: why does the MDGA not invite its attorneys and auditor to answer questions at an open forum for all members? Then everybody can participate and obtain straight answers to the very many queries and concerns members have regarding the controversial amendments and proposed Marina wide security scheme.Mar 10, 3:51 PM — So, Sue Me
  298. Anonymous I too have ignored any demands made by them and will continue to do so. If they want to sue me, they must mar do so. Maybe, when the summonses start coming, we should all get together and defend ourselves “en masse” (I think that is how it is spelt). In other words, lets stick together. There is safety in numbers. Of course, I shall then not remain Anonymous any more. (hee, hee).So by the way, does the agency the Association uses still belong to Mr. Hepple? Oi, he is a bit scary, but then, I am not going to be intimidated by a bully.I think Anita is marvelous. Long live Anita and thanks for your courage. Maybe you will enspire some others to grow a backbone too. (or those big cahoonas you have)Mar 9, 12:18 PM — So, Sue Me
  299. admin A few years back I received a final demand from a renowned Marina debt collection agency for outstanding sub’s. I immediately wrote back demanding they prove the legality of the Association’s demands for outstanding monies. I have never received a reply!!Mar 9, 11:30 AM — So, Sue Me
  300. residentAgree JT
    The owner is way too quiet about it all. Does he hope it will simply go away?Mel
    I cannot fault your argument. I am however still worried about the security at the centre if they are going to force the only guard to roam an entire street.And the wall: I like it too. I just wish they would do something about the proposed fountain and the empty shops. There is too much wasted space. As I’ve said in another mail, over 13 years I have seen many shops come and go, because people need more than just a few services. How about you open a little flower shop or something? This little centre is ideal for some of the residents to start their own little business. We need you guys. Can’t we entice ADT or Chubb to take a shop in the centre? This will surely help with security, and can bring them a lot of business.Mar 8, 7:08 AM — Residents asked to subsidise Shopping Centre security guard
  301. JTMr Brain (Treasurer, MDGA) thank you for the budget for the coming year 2008/2009, which I believe you prepared. I wish you well in your new position and look forward to greater transparency in future financial reporting.Following on from Snowdrop’s comments, however, I note that you haven’t made any provision for inspection fees - received or paid. Would you care to comment? For future, it would be helpful if prior year comparative figures could be incorporated into the budget as well as a simple cashflow forecast. Incidentally, has there been any off-setting of income and expense figures in your budget or prior year actuals? A few basic accounting policies would be most useful to the users of the MDGA budgets & other financial reports.Mar 7, 12:32 PM — Question Time
  302. JTI wonder if Excom might make available to its members the letter in which Council ostensibly give their permission for the locking of gates. Mr Gie since you seem to be the authority on all matters affecting our Security (and we know you pop in from time to time at this website) would you care to comment?Mar 7, 9:09 AM — Blackmail
  303. JTFyi, I have just spoken to Inspector Donaldson, Liquor Officer at SAPS Muizenburg and she very kindly said that I may quote her:I refer to the MDGA’s advice on the back page of the 2007 AGM Minutes:
    “Objections to the above liquor licence application must be lodged with SAPS Muizenburg. Please note that a valid reason must be given otherwise the Liquor Board does not entertain the objection”Inspector Donaldson has confirmed the following:
    1. she has no knowledge of this liquor licence application
    2. when she does receive such an application, she notifies the Community Policing Forum of which the MDGA is a member and the MDGA is then obliged to notify the residents
    3. objections must not be lodged with SAPS Muizenburg, but should be addressed and directed to the Magistrate of Simonstown with a copy sent to the DPO
    4. the Magistrate will then consider the objections, not the Liquor Board.Has anyone else received similar advice? Clearly it’s easy to take a wrong turn when the MDGA give the incorrect information to their residents. Or perhaps they want objections to land up in the dustbin…Mar 6, 2:18 PM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  304. JTRegarding the shopping centre itself, I fully support the centre and its tenants. But I do believe that the shopping centre management should look after its own affairs. The residents all around Cavendish Square aren’t expected to subsidise the mall’s security costs. We are now told that the Marina shopping centre is a member of the Independent Security Schemes - and we know where the ISS is headed as the ‘bottom up’ approach to the Marina Wide Security Scheme all neatly managed by Excom through Richard Gie & co. I only hope that anyone joining an ISS thinks very carefully before signing a debit order.Mar 6, 12:35 PM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  305. JTMel, you’ve just read my mind. Hey William have you had any response? I am sincerely hoping that you get further than the rest of us (being nice certainly didn’t work for me - in fact your head will spin if you see my correspondence with the association).Mar 6, 12:16 PM — Residents asked to subsidise Shopping Centre security guard
  306. MelI was just wondering. What happened to William’s promise to speak to the Association. What was the Association’s response to him queries?Mar 6, 12:10 PM — Residents asked to subsidise Shopping Centre security guard
  307. MelHi Resident.No, you have it all wrong. We (at least I) am not against the shopping centre. Quite the contrary. I support it fully and have shopped their relatively often, considering the time it has been open. We are thrilled that we have a proper little shopping centre there. Well done to Spar and well done to all the other enterprising entrepreneurs who have invested money and time in our area. We will support you fully.That does not detract from the fact that we would not like to see this self-same shopping centre, (of which we are quite proud) deteriorate by the addition of a bottle store. I have nothing against liquor, as such, but I would prefer not to have a bottle store at my front door. The reality is that there is a reason why people have to apply for liquor licences (as opposed to the vet-shop which does not) and that residents have the opportunity to oppose such an application. They have the potential of ruining a neighbourhood.Of course we don’t think that Spar wants to ruin the neighbourhood deliberately. They have invested a lot of money in the venture and we wish them well. This is the reason why we were prepared not to oppose the grocer’s wine licence.But a fully licensed bottle-store is a different kettle of fish. And it is not necessary - we have one at Capricorn Shopping Centre. Yes, you have to cross busy Prince George Drive, but it’s not as if it is miles away.I suggest you go look at the lot that hang around at the bottle stores in Muizenberg and Kalk Bay. Even at the Friendly Store in Muizenberg late at night.They may call it upmarket, but a bottle-store remains a bottle-store and can by no stretch of the imagination be called “upmarket”.I think Spar is an asset to the community. I will continue to support it. I think that the owners of the shopping centre have made a stupendous improvement to the place. I think the Association should stop bothering them about the beautiful stone-wall - it looks great. BUT I DON’T WANT A BOTTLE STORE IN MY FRONT GARDEN and, if it comes to fruition, will not support it.Mar 6, 12:06 PM — Residents asked to subsidise Shopping Centre security guard
  308. JTFurther to my posting, I am happy to report that the MDGA have included on the back page of the 2007 AGM minutes (issued yesterday or today) a copy of their e-mail of 20 Feb.
    Thank you Excom!Although I have quite a few questions regarding the minutes themselves and the rather sketchy budget for 2008/2009, there is something that is screaming at me from these pages: A pretty graph shows that there are 1,328 members of which 156 attended the AGM. Then we read that the poll was conducted by a show of hands and that 186 people voted in favour of Resolution One, 169 for Resolution Two with 2 against and 179 for Resolution 3. Now did some people vote with both hands???? (proxy votes should be disclosed separately surely?) I’m going to have my coffee now and then I’ll check again with my calculator to make sure…Mar 6, 11:33 AM — Residents asked to subsidise Shopping Centre security guard
  309. residentI agree with the part where JT points out that the security stationed at the Spar also has to patrol an entire road, away from the centre. So exactly how much of his time will he be protecting the shoppers at the centre, and indeed the centre itself? And should it not be the owners of the shopping centre who is charging HUGE rates for their property rentals, and not the tenants like the Spar, who should be protecting the visitors to the centre?This is definitely a step backwards. In the letter it is stated that “the guard is currently under utilized”. What do they mean? It is like saying the stop sign is under utilized… He should act as a deterrent with his presence and not run around scaring small children and older ladies. Instead of getting another guard, we want to stretch the duties of one guard, and share the costs… a cop-out if you ask me! Maybe we do need the bottle store; at least we’ll get another guard?I see too much negativity here towards the centre. Would everyone prefer the place to be knocked down in favor of low-cost housing instead? Just wondering where this all this bitching about the centre is going…going… gone!Mar 6, 6:29 AM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  310. residentI agree with the part where JT points out that the security stationed at the Spar also has to patrol an entire road, away from the centre. So exactly how much of his time will he be protecting the shoppers at the centre, and indeed the centre itself? And should it not be the owners of the shopping centre who is charging HUGE rates for their property rentals, and not the tenants like the Spar, who should be protecting the visitors to the centre?This is definitely a step backwards. In the letter it is stated that “the guard is currently under utilized”. What do they mean? It is like saying the stop sign is under utilized… He should act as a deterrent with his presence and not run around scaring small children and older ladies. Instead of getting another guard, we want to stretch the duties of one guard, and share the costs… a cop-out if you ask me! Maybe we do need the bottle store; at least we’ll get another guard?I see too much negativity here towards the centre. Would everyone prefer the place to be knocked down in favor of low-cost housing instead? Just wondering where this all this bitching about the centre is going… going… gone!Mar 6, 6:27 AM — Residents asked to subsidise Shopping Centre security guard
  311. JTOn 20 February, the MDGA issued an e-mail notice to those members on its e-mail list (half the membership if you’re lucky) advising of Spar’s plan to open a bottle store and how the MDGA will not act on behalf of its members in either supporting or opposing the liquor license application. Although this same notice states that:“The owner of the Spar, and a regional representative of the chain, held discussions with Excom, prior to making the application, in order that our members should be aware of their plans”
    “(Spar) wish to achieve the acceptance of the community for the venture”
    “The Spar representatives have prepared a brochure, setting out their plans. A copy is held in the Marina office, for any member who wishes to read it”the MDGA for some reason see no obligation on their part to fully inform all their members and instead (for the first time in its history I believe) opted to notify members not by notice at their respective registered domicilia but rather by way of “an information notice…distributed to members by E-mail, informing them of the facts”In this same e-mail notice, there is stated this fact:
    “A security guard will be stationed at the entrance”
    further supported by “Spar, as a responsible organisation, with a reputation to protect….”Now, barely two weeks after the above e-mail notice was issued, the residents of Eastlake Drive and Fisherman Quay (which for those who don’t know are situated in the immediate vicinity of the Eastlake/Spar shopping centre) received a written appeal from Richard Gie – donning his ‘Independent Security Committee’ hat – to join the fight against crime. A page of scare tactics focusing on the crime wave heading towards the Cape alludes to the possibility that Spar will subsidise the security guarding costs for Eastlake Drive. But lo and behold, if you read further it is not Spar who will subsidise the residents, but the members who will be subsidizing Spar! Spar it transpires no longer wish to pay for the services of a full-time security guard and Mr Gie et al have very kindly offered to enlist the support of Eastlake Drive residents to help finance this cost. Who is going to provide the security guard for the bottle store? Or is it the same security guard that the residents will be co-financing? Does this mean that the residents are going to be subsidizing the security for the entire shopping centre????Now although Mr Gie (donning his MDGA Security Committee cap) is very much aware of the pending llquor license application cum bottle store (donning his Independent Security Committee hat) he doesn’t so much as mention this teeny weeny little matter of a neighbourhood bottle store in his appeal to the Eastlake Drive residents. But hey let’s be fair, he has offered his and Elaine’s assistance (that would be Elaine Meyer of MDGA Excom fame) to these poor helpless residents to set up a committee to facilitate this wonderful security initiative – and dare I say to ensure that it isn’t ignored. Mr Gie (wearing his Cannon Island Security Association regalia) recently appealed to members of that association to ‘reason’ with their neighbours to come on board so that they can achieve the 90% debit orders required for the Marina-wide security scheme. Presumably there will soon be a whole lot of ‘reasoning’ with neighbours going on in Eastlake Drive, too….I sincerely hope that the residents who received these notices in their letter boxes treat this ‘security initiative’ with the contempt it deserves. In any event, any security guard watching all of Eastlake Drive and Fisherman Quay as well as a Spar and bottle store must have x-ray vision and eyes in the back of his head.Mar 5, 6:29 PM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  312. SnowdropThe Marina da Gama association is so secretive because they have a lot to hide. Especially where it comes to building plans. What happens to the inspection fee they charge? Does it go to the association? Why don’t they put the deposit money in an interest bearing account for the owner? Who gets the interest on that money? What happens to our subscriptions? How does it get spent?If they want us to co-operate with them, they had better become more open and transparent. On the other hand, just get rid of the whole lot. They are as effective as a fridge in the North-Pole in any event (except where it comes to distorting money from residents).Mar 4, 10:50 AM — Question Time
  313. JPA bottle-store in a residential area is not a good idea. Thanks for the information, Anita.JPMar 4, 10:41 AM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  314. MelI am disgusted that the Association will leave such an important thing as a liquor licence application to the residents without them actually giving us proper information. Do they care about our area at all? They embarrassed us by supporting the very controversial Loitering Act. They object to buildings at Sunrise Circle. (What on earth these things have to do with us at all is beyond me.) They put in their 2c worth about Cape Town’s boom-gate policy (please note, we were not even consulted about these things at all).Now that something is actually happening on our very own doorstep, they are shtum!!What gives? Who greased the palm of whom here? Or does the Chairman just like the idea of having his daily fix on his doorstep?Mar 3, 4:21 PM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  315. JTAnd these are the same guys who expect you to entrust your money and safety to them without question. I’d like to know when exactly the owners of Spar first pulled this bunny out of the hat and how long our association has been sitting on this knowledge. Were they in any way complicit in the ‘move in first and then quietly slip in the bottle store’ tactic? Excom, you have some explaining to do…Mar 3, 11:03 AM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  316. LaraYour research on liquor licence and association’s un-willingness to partake in any referendum would suggest the association has entered into some pact with spar. Would they have the same approach should I decide to apply for a “shebeen” type licence in Park Island?Mar 2, 9:57 AM — Liquor Licence - Eastlake Village
  317. AnitaI think that these are very relevant and important questions. It’s time that the Association buck up and answer them. It is in the interest of the entire community to do so.Feb 29, 1:54 PM — Question Time
  318. JTHi Bob Hi Elaine Hi ToniJust a few minor points & questions you might want to apply your minds to for the benefit of your members:1. The Marina News is controlled by whoever finances it and controls its distribution - now wouldn’t that be the MDGA and by default Excom? Was it the editor’s call to place that awful letter about AK on the cover page? If so, why didn’t the Chairman offer an apology in the next edition and distance the Association from such a distasteful act? I witnessed an Excom member whooping with delight…2. My title deed restriction is very clear. I am not bound to any unlawful association, constitution or act. Period.On to more serious stuff:
    3. Exactly who were the Trustees of the Eastlake Association at the time that the trustees’ powers to alter the constitution were first transferred and were there subsequent transfers of these powers?4. When did this happen and to whom exactly were these powers transferred? Were any conditions attached to such transfer? I guess we’ll never know without the Trustees’ Resolution required to effect such a transfer of powers (hint: very important document). I should think that the effective date of the resolution would also have some significance.5. Who was it who authorised the new redrafted version of the Eastlake Association constitution? No, I mean who exactly? (hint: Anglo American is quite a large bag of rather diverse entities and people, and even if they or a representative of the group ‘approved’ the constitution it doesn’t automatically follow that ‘they’ were the Trustees of the Eastlake Association - they might have simply proffered their professional wisdom much as an interfering ‘Big Brother’ might do and in the belief that someone else was attending to the legalities).6. What assurance do we have that a couple of individuals didn’t in fact intentionally hijack what was a legitimate association in law and convert it unilaterally in an unlawful manner into a body they could control? Without the old records and resolution book of the association it certainly appears to be a distinct possibility (hint: statutory records are normally handed over simultaneously with the transfer of powers as they belong to the organisation).A few minor points:
    7. If the association does not have an official register of members, does not verify its member register against Council and other official title deed records, where is the assurance that all members are notified of meetings and invoiced for subs? How many members did you say there are? And how many erven exist with this title deed restriction?8. If the association does not maintain attendance registers, where is the assurance that the association isn’t contravening its own constitutional voting requirements? I refer specifically to the reference to a percentage of ‘…members present at the time of voting and entitled to vote…’, which if I’m not mistaken implies that anyone present and entitled, but abstaining, still counts as a negative vote. How do you count these votes without an attendance register?9. Why do you need a list of objectors in order to call a meeting to address members’ concerns? Why can’t you just invite all the members and let them decide for themselves if they do or don’t wish to participate? It’s not a party although I suppose you could include an RSVP for catering purposes. It would of course be a discussion forum to which all members should be invited so that your legal counsel and other appropriate professionals can address the members’ concerns. Members, too, should be able to bring along their lawyers and accountants if they feel more comfortable having a knowledgable person engage on their behalf on technical points. Excom have demonstrated that they’re more than capable when it comes to calling meetings at extremely short notice when it suits them. So why is this so hard to do?10. Does Excom comply with par 13.2 of the MDGA constitution? I don’t recall any ‘books of account’ being laid before any AGM I’ve attended. Would other members care to commment? Surely if a member isn’t able to attend an AGM he may view the books of account at the office? Why does Excom have such a problem with this? Your general attitude towards your members on this point reflects very, no extremely, poorly on the lot of you.11. Do you think we might have the budget for the year we’re about to commence seeing as the subscription has already been approved? And what’s happening to the minutes? I’d feel a whole lot more comfortable knowing that a fresh pair of hopefully registered eyes has been appointed to scrutinize the records this time around. You’ve also issued an updated constitution incorporating the resolutions voted on at the 2007 AGM - surely this calls for the speedy issuing of the minutes supporting this?12. Last one. Ask yourselves this question: if the association were to cease to exist, let’s say for lack of volunteers to serve on the Excom, the legal requirement for an association to exist in the Township Area would fall away - completely. So how critical is this association really and to whom? Why would Council or anyone else place any meaningful reliance on an association that is not only run by a bunch of volunteers (idiots for all they know) but also one that might disappear in the blink of an eye. Not to mention the fact that its existence probably causes Council a ton of extra work.13. Ok last one promise. What happens if all the members withhold their subs and the association goes bankrupt? I am not being facetious here - I genuinely am interested to know what happens in such a case.That really was the last one.Feb 28, 5:35 PM — Private and Personal?
  319. WillieHi AnitaNow that’s telling him! When are we getting a cartoon about the creaking hinge? Or the MOLE.So by the way, there is nothing “elevated” about his position - he is just a simple man who agreed to do a public service. In other words, a PUBLIC SERVANT. It’s his duty to serve. That’s all.What a funny little man he is though, with his little red, round nose and - oh, let’s not get personal. (Would make nice cartoon material though.)How about a competition: I will sponsor a prise of R100.00. The winner will be the person who comes up with the best nickname for Peter Harrison.Feb 28, 11:10 AM — The Chairman on Transparency
  320. WillieAre you telling us that 400 members were not notified of the meeting? That is shocking!!Feb 28, 11:00 AM — Private and Personal?
  321. AAMy, oh, my, this Chairman has surely lost it. Imagine, MOLES in his organisation, secret spies running the corridors. Secret societies reminiscent of the KKK. Conspiracy theories galore!! WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO HIDE?And we are asked to have confidence in this bunch or yo-yos? They want to take our money? Yeah right!!:)Feb 27, 12:41 PM — The Chairman on Transparency
  322. residentI answer…to Maverick
    No Maverick, I am not a drinker. And I definetely do not drive when I’ve had the odd beer when watching my favourite sport. I do support progress, and have not seen too much of it around here in the past decades, except for rows of houses built across PG Drive.To JT (no need to get personal)
    1. No, I do not live right next to the centre, but close, and my property value is also important to me.
    2. Nowadays saftey and poperty value are factors of national security and the ecomomy rather than minor local developments. Everyone (including the police) knows that Vrygrond is a huge source of crime in our area, and we cannot move the whole establishment.
    3. Yes I have. It will not change the conditions of the issued license, and if they want to, then further consultation will be required and even I will oppose that.
    4. Ditto.
    5. Excom? Which Excom? My take on their role is to sit around and look for something to bicker about… I have NEVER seen any results from any of their actions. Seeking a mandate here is like waiting for your dog to speak. And about the membership, just reading through these posts is evidence of severe fragmentation and devide. Do you realy believe the people care what the Excom has to say?
    6. I can count, and also count about 17 “ladies of the night” doing good business down PG drive, heaven knows how many drug suppliers, a graveyard across the road and four major shopping centres doing great business. Not mention the hordes of security outfits, hardware stores, etc. It does not means there is not place for one more.
    7. I have thought about it and cannot see that a small selective outlet will draw any customers, of the unwanted kind, away from their current bottle stores. It will however give residents an alternative place of shopping away from these characters. About the owners of the Spar… I do not know them well and certainly do not base my support on their reputation. It is the concept I support.Finally. I have posted this letter to voice my oppinion, and not to attact any other person or body. I am just as concerned about the safety and well-being of my area as most, and I know that a well functioning shopping centre ADDS value to a community.I ask again that you give alternatives to a small liquor outlet, instead of merely shooting the initiative down. Open an art store, bicycle shop, coffee shop, hearing aid repair facility, computer store or anything else if you wish, but let’s grow our local area instead of everytime doing the opposite. Apart from a few security booths, I have seen no developments for many years. Let’s move forward, please.Feb 27, 7:41 AM — Bombay Handshake
  323. AuthorThank you Peter, your support is appreciated.Feb 26, 9:53 PM — The Chairman on Transparency
  324. Peter QuinnI found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you.Peter QuinnFeb 26, 7:59 PM — The Chairman on Transparency
  325. San Marina ResidentI have jumped to no conclusions whatsoever. I just do not see why San Marina should be singled out. As I said, I have maintained my own verges for years and do not expect the Association to do so, but the inference was that we, here in San Marina, would “expect further services”.The bottom line is that you do live in the wealthier parts of Marina da Gama. Whether that makes you wealthier or not, is of no concern to me. I am convinced that many people driving in 4X4’s and BMW’s are far poorer than I will ever be, despite their show of wealth, but the point is that San Marina is seen as the “poor relative” ie. there to live off the handouts and leach on the “wealthy relatives”. I resent that. I don’t ask them for anything, except to be treated as an equal.Feb 26, 2:45 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  326. JTHey, SMR, please be careful before jumping to conclusions. It is not the job of the MDGA to do our private verges - that is our job as property owners. The association can merely be kind and facilitate community initiatives that assist us in beautifying the neighbourhood. Have you asked Toni if she could arrange some stones for you so that you and your neighbours could attend to your verges in keeping with the style she’s started in the Township area? Also, if she’s used association funds for private verges elsewhere in the Township, then you should be entitled to the equivalent resources for your open spaces and verges. I don’t know myself if she does use association monies. If Toni has done any private verges for friends and Excom members, then please let us know and publish it here for all to see. That would be a blight on her record as there are clearly many open public spaces needing attention. Also, don’t assume that everyone staying in a ‘wealthy’ area is wealthy. I bought my townhouse in the old part just before prices went through the roof and all my hard earned money goes towards paying it off. It might make me fortunate, but certainly not wealthy.Feb 26, 1:31 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  327. San Marina ResidentJT, I guess I see your predicament. Toni probably does do a good job in the wealthier suburbs of the MarinaFeb 25, 9:42 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  328. JTOops, bad example. My apologies. I retract unreservedly the commendation given Toni.
    In a desperate attempt to find something positive, I confess I was overhasty… Help - I can’t actually think of anything else that one might feel good about where the association is concerned. The newsletters are quite nice, but other than that I only know the association to be this rather unpleasant (and at times childish) bunch who enjoy waving their mighty sword about…Feb 25, 7:15 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  329. AnitaIt would be so easy for me to ignore this Association. I know it is not legally binding on us to belong to them, and I have the proof thereof. I could take the easy way out and just ignore them, as Resident suggests, and believe me, there have been times when I have been sorely tempted to do just that and wait for them to take me to court for not paying my subs.Unfortunately though, I am not alone in the Marina. When all this trouble first started, I got many phone-calls from other residents who, quite frankly, were scared out of their wits. People who could not afford levies being imposed on their properties and simply did not have the strength to stand up to ExCom. I promised them that I would help them as much as I could. I will not stop until I have done EVERYTHING in my power to stay true to that promise.As I have said before, we want a voluntary, friendly association, which has the best interests of everyone at heart. We want a truly community spirited association where willing people can work together for the betterment of the area. We want to be able to resign if the association does not fulfil its mandate, but we will also support it fully, should it do what WE, the residents want.I would like to ask William and Resident, or anyone else out there a question. Why is it necessary to have an Association where everyone is forced to belong? What is the point?This Association has bred a lot of discontent and strife throughout the years. No doubt, some good has been done, but a lot of irreparable damage too. It is time to set the Marina free to become a community again. If you keep a dog on a short leash for too long, it turns into a vicious animal, while if you treat it with respect and dignity, it is your friend for life.Feb 25, 7:02 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  330. TracyDianne & I were school buddies, however lost touch with each other in the Mid-90’s. Her dear sister & I recently got re-acquainted through a website we both had joined. She broke the awful news to me. I cannot express the amount of Sadness & Anger that exsists in my heart, after having read this article !Feb 25, 4:12 PM — Cries for Help Ignored
  331. San Marina ResidentJT is clearly not a resident of either San Marina or Uitsig Peninsula. Toni Joubert may be doing a good job in your area, but she clearly has no time for the Marina Da Gama’s “poor relatives”.Apparently, it was decided by Toni Joubert not to service un-kept verges in San Marina, for fear of residents expecting further service.Now, for the life of me, Toni, what “further service” do you think we will expect? Quite frankly, I would like to know what this association has ever done for the people of San Marina. In the past, I have always paid my membership fees of this Association, but after that elitist, insulting comment, I will think twice before I will hand over more of my hard-earned cash to this bunch.I sweep my sidewalk regularly, I keep my garden neat and tidy. I take pride in my home. Yes, there are people around here who do not make the effort I do, but then, your side is not all that much better. It’s just that, with the higher density and narrow streets in our area, it is more noticeable than in the wealthier parts of Marina da Gama.I just know that Marina da Gama’s “problem child” is once again being marginalised, and the fact that no-one speaks up about it is unforgivable. Mr. Resident, are WE one of the beggars at the robot to be ignored? Or should WE just ignore the insult and join TJ in saying: “Long live Toni…”?For years I have never heard from the Association except for the odd newsletter once or twice a year and the inevitable account. Maybe, if the Association were to be more postitive towards us, we could be more positive towards them. (So by the way, I do not need to throw a street party to know my neighbours. We all know one another in any event, visit quite often and live happily together. It’s your side that gave the Marina the reputation of being an unfriendly place where no-one even knows his neighbour and people don’t even answer their doorbells.)Feb 25, 3:31 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  332. JRI can only speak for myself, but I would like to get rid of this association. That, to me, is the most positive step this neighbourhood can take for itself.Personally, I think it very rude to ignore people at robots. They are human beings, and although I do not support them financially giving handouts, I at least acknowledge their existence. Besides, since when does ignoring beggars at a robot make them go away? Tomorrow, when you stop at that same robot, that same beggar is still there, bothering you again.If we do not do something about this association now, they will return again and again, like the proverbial bad penny (or beggar at the robot).Feb 25, 12:44 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  333. WilliamCould’t agree more.Like I said a few comments (see my comments under Excom Members Respond) ago, let’s arrange a referendum cum survey and get stats on who says what. i.e., lets do something concrete as most of the comments coming in these days are repeats from comments before. What are we all waiting for? There is no point having an online argument month after month, year after year.I have made a note myself to contact Excom/consult the constitution to see what the rules are on setting up a meeting. Will get back to you.Feb 25, 12:33 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  334. JTDear ResidentIf our Excom would only initiate half your suggestions, we’d all be far happier, less inclined to criticise and better placed to make a meaningful contribution. There are so many issues on which the MDGA could constructively engage its members - for the benefit of everyone.I’d LOVE for example for the MDGA to let us know what their requirements are for us to install solar geysers - since we can’t just put up any old thing. They could initiate discussions which I’m sure would result in many residents offering their expertise and help not to mention making useful recommendations regarding suppliers etc. Have Excom even thought about this?Or how about finding out how many members would be interested in an annual exterior house painting job - how long has the Marina been around? The Excom need only provide the platform…. And just think how such an initiative might lighten the inspection load.An example of where the Excom are really making a difference is the work Toni Joubert is doing with the open spaces - for which I commend her. We certainly don’t expect Excom to paint, garden etc, but this is a wonderful example of how the Excom have initiated the effort and engaged Council to provide materials. Long live Toni…But this is what I don’t understand about the Excom in general. The association could be utilised constructively in so very many ways, but the Excom would rather spend YEARS pursuing highly controversial (& possibly unlawful) amendments to the MDGA constitution, to the exclusion of virtually all else. Surely the MDGA should focus on its principal object (architectural stds) and then focus on initiating sustainable projects which culminate in happy members and a thriving community spirit? How about inviting residents to participate in a morning market outside the Spar on Saturday mornings - the Spar would benefit and members could socialise in a healthy environment (certainly better than a bottle store!). There are SO MANY positive initiatives that the Excom could kick-start but NOOOO they prefer to remain bogged down in their scary little world that is a Marina wide security plan and to get their grasping hands on every member’s dosh to pay for it.As for getting a life, speak for yourself ;-)Feb 25, 12:18 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  335. JTDear ResidentNobody wants the Spar to fail and I am sure everyone will agree that the owners are really nice people. That’s not the issue.The issue is that the community should have a say in this matter and what the role of the MDGA should be in terms of informing their membership, obtaining a mandate from their membership, guiding the objection process should the membership elect to lodge such objection and then to make and/or facilitate the lodging thereof on behalf of its membership.Regardless of what you may think or feel, there is very real evidence that a bottle store does not enhance an area, its social fabric or property values. It more often than not has the opposite effect. The community should be consulted.What is offensive is that the Spar approached our Excom in order that the community may be consulted and their support enlisted - but the Excom took it upon themselves to distance themselves from this matter and not to notify all its members. You will recall that the Excom actively campaigned to have its constitution amended in order to secure for itself extensive powers. Surely it is now incumbent on the Excom to take these powers seriously and to act. Surely? Or are those extended powers there merely to permit the Excom to do what it wants when it wants, how it wants and only if it wants?Their lack of action on this particular issue smacks of double standards and yet again the blatant disregard of its obligations towards its wider membership…To you personally, Resident, I’d like to ask:
    1. have you given one moment’s thought to those folk living in the immediate proximity of the Spar centre and who will be directly affected by this development? (I take it you don’t live there.)
    2. Is your convenience and the Spar’s business success more important than the safety and property values of these residents?
    3. have you given any thought to what might happen if the owners of Spar sell up and what new owners might do to generate business?
    4. You don’t honestly believe that just because the current owners of Spar are nice people that this provides any assurance regarding the management of and sort of business conducted from the bottle store in the longer-term - or do you? For heaven’s sake, business is business.
    5. do you endorse the Excom’s chosen mode of communication, which ignores approx. half the MDGA membership? What do you believe is the role of the MDGA? Whatever the outcome don’t you believe that the Excom should at least seek a mandate (& in so doing take direction) from its membership?
    6. there are already at least 4 large bottle stores between Capricorn and Lakeside - do we really need another one - on our doorstep?
    7. Please, just think about it. Why the need to draw customers with the hard tack? How many other Spars have to do this? I doubt very much that this is a ‘Spar’ initiative. Must we pander to the owners of Spar now so that they can be successful - at the expense of our own community and residents?Feb 25, 10:13 AM — Bombay Handshake
  336. maverickYou have got to be kidding, Resident. A bottle-store in a residential area is NEVER a good idea, no matter how wonderful these original owners may be. If you cannot negotiate Prince George Drive (probably had a few too many already), go to Muizenberg. I don’t mind the in-store wine licence for the Spar, but a full-blown liquor licence is not a good idea and then I will prefer green paper.Oppose it I will.Feb 25, 9:20 AM — Bombay Handshake
  337. residentYES. Why not? If this can assist the owners of the Spar, who invested a large amount of money to give us a conveniet store, to make their business work and stay here, I fully support them.
    For 14 years I have seen businesses come and go at the centre while other centres prospered around us. Each time the owners did not receive the support from the residents of the area to sustain their efforts, and they had to close their doors. Now we have a “new” centre and people who invested heavily in it. And if an upmarket liquor outlet will increase the “feet” at the centre, we should assist them.This unfounded fear of “undesirebles” loitering because of this is laughable. I have met the owners, and their reputation is very important to them. I cannot see that they will allow any part of the centre, or area, to degrade. They have a firm grip on security and I have seen how they handle unwanted characters.
    Then there is the added bonus for all of us not having to cross the dreaded PG Drive to stock up on a few beers or whatever. Competition is always good and I wish them the very best.Get over your own insecurites and for once support something before you shoot it down again! And if you do not like the idea, instead of shouting from the corner, why don’t you do something to improve our local centre, or do you like the green paper on the empty store windows?Feb 25, 6:24 AM — Bombay Handshake
  338. ResidentHow about everybody stop quoting everybody else and make some constructive suggestions? I have read through all this hogwash and I am still looking to find out exactly what Anita, and other participants, wants.
    As I’ve said in another post, if the EXCOM has as little power as you suggest, why worry about them. Ignore them and they will go away… like a beggar at a robot. You must clearly have nothing else to do but to sit and wait for somebody to say something so that you can object… Please GET A LIFE!
    Start a thread in this forum and begin adding positive suggestions and let’s see if all the complainers can come up with some solutions. As I understand it, we have some brilliant people living in the Marina and can use their expertise to improve our lifestyle, rather than attacking each other all the time. There is enough bickering going on in Government and we surely need no more.
    How about investigating the possibility of wind/solar power generation, or purifying water for home use, or establishing a decent neighborhood watch, or supporting the new shopping centre for our convenience, or make an effort to organize street parties to meet our neighbors, or putting up a few security cameras that can be monitored by anybody with an internet connection/cell phone, or start a Marina soccer/rugby/cricket/bowls/tennis/chess… club? For heavens sake, GET POSITIVE FOR A CHANGE!!!!!Feb 24, 8:07 PM — No Pink houses for you, Mr. Gie
  339. residentHow about everybody stop quoting everybody else and make some constructive suggestions? I have read through all this hogwash and I am still looking to find out exactly what Anita, and other participants, wants.
    As I’ve said in another post, if the EXCOM has as little power as you suggest, why worry about them. Ignore them and they will go away… like a beggar at a robot. You must clearly have nothing else to do but to sit and wait for somebody to say something so that you can object… Please GET A LIFE!
    Start a thread in this forum and begin adding positive suggestions and let’s see if all the complainers can come up with some solutions. As I understand it, we have some brilliant people living in the Marina and can use their expertise to improve our lifestyle, rather than attacking each other all the time. There is enough bickering going on in Government and we surely need no more.
    How about investigating the possibility of wind/solar power generation, or purifying water for home use, or establishing a decent neighborhood watch, or supporting the new shopping centre for our convenience, or make an effort to organize street parties to meet our neighbors, or putting up a few security cameras that can be monitored by anybody with an internet connection/cell phone, or start a Marina soccer/rugby/cricket/bowls/tennis/chess… club? For heavens sake, GET POSITIVE FOR A CHANGE!!!!!Feb 24, 6:40 AM — Anita puts ExCom to task
  340. JTFree at last? No not quite.The MDGA Executive Committee went to extraordinary lengths to amend its constitution and specifically the Objects clause, as follows:“…The aforementioned standards shall extend to all services and amenities in the township area….and such facilities which will maintain the Township Area as a safe and attractive environment for its residents…”Issue 1 - Security within the Township Area
    Excom response:
    - actively support individuals advocating a Marina wide security plan
    - actively rebuff any and all objections thereto
    - propose amending constitution to recover costs via MDGA levies
    - rebuff and insult any and all objectors thereto
    - obtain legal opinion to support amending constitution
    - call special meeting to vote in changes
    - acknowledge insufficient member support to enable implementation of security scheme
    - actively pursue alternative means to obtain member support to ensure sufficient debit order payments for security scheme
    - continue to rebuff any and all objections and/or concerns regarding amendments and security scheme proposals
    - all this without so much as a clear 50% majority supportIssue 2 - Liquor license application for bottle store within the Township Area
    Excom response:
    - when approached by Applicant who seek approval from community, advised Applicant that MDGA can’t represent members on this matter
    - notified only those members contactable by e-mail that they should lodge individual objections if they so choose and that detailed brochure is available at the MDGA office (how many members are on the e-mail list?)
    - no dates are given in this communication nor is there any offer of assistance with respect to collection/submission/distribution of facts, concerns, objections and other representations, forms etc
    - clearly Excom have no intent to address this issue on behalf of or in the interests of the community
    - clearly Excom have no interest in establishing how their members feel and/or to seek a mandate to take the matter forward in the interests of the communityGo figure…Feb 20, 1:48 PM — Freedom Fighters
  341. residentPhew, and I thought I bought myself a house in a peaceful little village? Phew again!
    An organization or body will only have as much power as you give them. If you ignore them, they WILL eventually go away. (like the begger at the robot) You are giving them so much exposure, they thrive. Ignore them for long enough and they will have to make a noise to be heard. I have ignored them now for 13 years, and never had any problems with any of them. When they finally shout something at me, guess what I do? I ignore them still. It works!Feb 18, 7:19 AM — Big Fish in the Little Pond
  342. residentCome on, get a life. This shopping centre has been an eye sore for many years. Finally someone took the initiative, and money, to upgrade this much needed area, and you have a mouthful to say. Where were you all the time when the place was faling apart?
    I am proud to finally be able to walk to a shop in my area and use the services offered. Why don’t you rather support the people and build on their effort?
    You guys are very quick to critisise and way too slow to compliment. How about ONE thing positive from you for a change?Feb 18, 7:05 AM — ArchCom standards?
  343. MSGood pointFeb 16, 9:46 PM — Diversity in Marina Da Gama
  344. StuartI don’t want to be funny, but I think it’s time we get rid of this association once and for all.How about it, Marina Da Gama, are you ready for it?StuartFeb 15, 8:24 AM — Another Resident puts ExCom to task
  345. Headless ChickenHey, Excom. The Marina is waiting with bated breath for your comment on Anita’s letter. Don’t tell me that the Chairman’s report is not the official view of the Excom. What utter rubish. If it’s not the official view, let us know what is and give this terrible charirman the sack.So by the way, who is this Toni fellow and where did he get off the bus? What’s wrong with san marina that we don’t deserve our verges serviced. And if so, why are subs demanded of us?Feb 13, 11:54 PM — Another Resident puts ExCom to task
  346. IDSince buying my house in the marina in 1997 I have spent many months out of the country each year, so was a bit hazy on what the status quo was in the marina. In Nov 2006 I attended an AGM to try and get a better grasp. During the meeting I was horrified at the way the chairman treated a resident who asked a reasonable question on the content of a recent press article. The chairman exhorted the resident, in a condescending and patronising way to “don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers.” Really? Normally if one wants to verify the veracity of a statement or “newspaper” article one would go to the best available source of information, and at an AGM that would be the chairman of the Association. Instead this resident did not get an answer whilst being treated like a child.
    This opened my eyes and I started reading whatever I could, including that awful letter. My initial perception of the attitude of the chairman and excom towards the residents was steadily reinforced. This research has brought to me the point where I can wholeheartedly endorse every single word of JT’s comment. Well done and thank you.Feb 13, 7:32 PM — Another Resident puts ExCom to task
  347. GWI stood up and applauded when I read JT’s comment (then sat down quickly as my wife thought I had gone bonkers.) I could not have said it better; in fact, I could not have said it at all. Thank you for speaking my mind, JT. I think you echo many a Marina resident’s thoughts.Feb 13, 11:24 AM — Another Resident puts ExCom to task
  348. AnitaWow, it has been quite a humbling experience reading through the comments. I have said it before and will say it again. The Marina houses some really special people.
    With your support, we shall continue to do what needs to be done.William, we are not fighting this issue because we want to divide the community or break the rules. We are doing so because a disservice has been done to the people of this community and it is the right thing to do.An association is indeed a very powerful tool to speak on behalf of a community. Sticking together is healthy - if it is voluntary. That’s when there will be peace - because people want to belong. If you force people together there will be strife and discord. That’s simply the way it is. In addition, a Council official told me that they give more weight to a voluntary ratepayers’ association than to a compulsory home-owners’ association, as the voice comes from people who actively choose to belong and take part.This Association has so much history and such a bad name. Just about every Council official I have spoken to has something bad to say about it. It is an unhealthy association with a bad reputation and we deserve something better.AnitaFeb 12, 1:15 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  349. WilliamYes, I agree. Very well put. But don’t you think we are all beginning to sound like a stuck record? We are going on and on about the same things.I think it is very clear where Excom and the objectors stand. Where to now?I really think we should hold a referendum cum research survey to decide, for example:1. Does the Marina da Gama need an association? Yes. No.
    2. If yes, what should its purpose be? We can list its present purposes and people can tick yes or no if that purpose should stay or not and then recommend other purposes.
    3. Should the current chairman stay? Yes. No.
    4. If no, who should replace the chairman.? Two suggestions each.
    5. Should the make up of the Excom stay as it is? Yes. No.
    6. If no, what would make the Excom more representative? Open question.
    7. What changes do you suggest should occur to the constitution? Open Question.
    8. Should each of the areas (Park Island vs. Eastlake Vs. Cannon etc.) have it’s own association? Yes. No.
    9. And so on…In short, what can we ALL do, objectors and Excom alike, to take conclusive steps forward?Richard Gie said that if there is enough support, we can hold an extraordinary meeting. What kind of support do you mean? 10 people? 100 people?Feb 11, 11:44 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  350. GWI stood up and applauded when I read JT’s comment (then sat down quickly as my wife thought I had gone bonkers.) I could not have said it better; in fact, I could not have said it at all. Thank you for speaking my mind, JT. I think you echo many a Marina resident’s thoughts.Feb 11, 7:57 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  351. JTSomebody, please correct me if I’m wrong, but it is my understanding that the scope of an association and method of recovering costs can not be summarily changed by constitutional voting requirements alone. With a voluntary association maybe, but not when the membership is a captive audience and comprises an entire suburb. The association’s own legal opinion would seem to express similar reservations.Our Excom have been particularly high-handed bordering on deceptive in the manner in which they’ve pushed through the 2006 amendments without any consultation process whatsoever (and I mean ‘consultation’ in the true sense of the word). This can only serve to undermine the relationship of trust that should exist between any association’s Excom and its wider membership.I have withheld my subs since that awful letter was published in the Marina News. I was and am still embarassed to be associated with an association that is so unprofessional and lacking in dignity and regard for its membership. An attack on one is an attack on all and I take every exception to the manner in which this Excom have consistently sought to undermine this once-happy community. To my mind, the Excom and its Chairman have acted in bad faith and continue to do so. The fact that no forum has been initiated with the necessary professionals in attendance to address members’ numerous and varied concerns speaks for itself.I will continue to withhold my subs until I am satisfied that the MDGA, its constitution and the actions of its Excom are lawful. And I won’t support a small group of individuals to use (abuse?) the association to recover the costs of some hairbrain security scheme by way of a levy against my property into perpetuity. If I am to even begin considering such a drastic step, the Excom would do well to enrol for a few business courses starting with Majors in Law, Ethics, Accountability & Transparency (incl. Purpose of Audits) plus extras in Basic Manners, How To Engage ‘Headless Chickens’ in Meaningful Dialogue & How Not To Treat My Neighbours.For some reason the Excom believe that the association is so ‘private’ that they the Excom are not answerable to anyone but themselves. The blatant misrepresentation of facts and withholding of basic information, be it direct or indirect, has astounded me beyond words. A drive around the Marina clearly evidences the fact that the Excom have neglected their principal lawful object in favour of doggedly pursuing an expensive, idealistic notion for which it did not and still does not have a clear, express mandate. Instead of focussing on the fact that so few ‘objectors’ turned up to vote against the amendments to the Constitution, the Association would do better to take cognisance of the fact that so few members turned up at all let alone to vote in favour of the amendments - amendments that serve to change the ‘foundation’ of the association. In context, so few yay’s effectively mean NO. Or if I am missing something here will somebody please enlighten me with a FACTUAL argument that lends credence to what the Excom are doing in the name of the association.Feb 11, 6:22 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  352. WilliamAll my efforts in my correspondence to this website have been that we need some kind of association. I don’t mind if it is different to the one that is there now and I would be happier if there is a new chairman at least, as I believe he has not managed the affair properly. This all occurred under his chairmanship,. I do not see any positive steps from Peter Harrison to resolve the conflict. ESPECIALLY the open letter to Anita that was printed in one of the marina news letters. I had just bought a house in the Marina and was totally blown away to see what had been printed. How could a chairman allow that?I have never been on Excom side, nor the objectors side as I believe no side is squeaky clean. I have always shown great respect for Anita’s position and her method of managing her position and have said so on several occasions. I am saying, no matter what has occurred, it makes sense to stick together at some point.I would suggest a new Excom, a different compilation of members, i.e. people from all the different areas of Marina Da Gama but the same association as it is one body which is much more powerful than fragmented little associations. Changes to the constitution are not impossible; there is a system in place for these changes to occur. It just depends on who is in the majority. How else can we calculate what the most popular view is?I feel that I am the only person saying, “let’s make it work, together, let’s compromise”. I feel that Excom stay aloof and don’t want to budge and the objectors want to unravel everything and leave us divided.What should be done then? What is the WISEST approach to this situation? What would Nelson Mandela do if he had to mediate the peace here? What would Gandhi do, or Mother Theresa? Or Richard Branson?Some fuel for thought.Feb 11, 2:46 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  353. SandyDon’t like him either.Feb 11, 9:07 AM — Qually does not like us
  354. Nog ‘n Headless Chicken
    I think it is a great loophole that the Association is not valid. What a BONUS. Now we can set up a voluntary association which will have just as much power with the Government – in other words, no power whatsoever. Council is going to do what it wants to in any event and Central Government is certainly going to shoo us away like flies if we give them hassles.In the mean time, we will no longer be forced to dance to the tune of a bunch of dictatorial, mean, greedy and very rude ExCom members. Money will not be extorted for building plan scrutiny fees and – lo and behold – inspection fees.The bottom line is that the Marina is too diverse to cater for all through one central, compulsory Association. Some are rich and some are poor, and what suits the rich does not necessarily suit the poor and vice versa. Even if 99.99% of the residents want the security scheme and if even one person has to sell their house, (or, heaven forbid, it gets repossessed by the bank) to cater for your needs, I feel that it is still theft, because that one person did not buy his house under those conditions. That person did not buy his house with a levy (lien) imposed on it.If you want a security scheme, go for it. If it costs you more because other people actually recognise the idiocy of the idea and are not prepared to waste their money, tough. That is your choice. But don’t force everyone to buy into the madness.You keep on telling us “not to worry”. Well, there is a lot to be worried about. YOU should worry a bit more. I wonder what you would have felt if you can only just afford your house, but because some other people had more money than you, you have to sell up and move out!So by the way, Richard telling Anita that they have to “pander” to her requests, is certainly not constructive. It’s insulting. She and her group has probably spent as much time and energy on this thing as they have, trying to safeguard all of us. I have never heard her ask for money to sponsor her, so I assume that she is paying for the objectors’ newsletters, telephone calls and other expenses herself. I take my hat off to her. She has been marvellous and deserves a medal for the way she is standing up for the residents. Now that takes guts, against those mean people of ExCom. Richard should give credit where credit is due.I will support a voluntary association, but this dictatorial home-owners thing they have, they can keep. It seems to breed nasty characters.I agree with Glen. Nice people do not publish the kind of stuff this ExCom did.Feb 10, 7:54 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  355. DocI agree with above. The bubble is going to burst.We have requested a meeting with the Home Affairs committee (chairman Patrick Chauke)to discuss, Peter Harrison’s arrogance and outspoken as a foreigner, about tne Marina matters. He is a Brit and if he does not like it here he must get the hell out of the country. He is far too outspoken as non citizen in my country. The damaged he has caused in the Marina under his poor leadership must come to an end.Feb 9, 7:18 PM — Big Fish in the Little Pond
  356. adminWilliam please go to “REPORT A CRIME” a direct request to me from Richard Gie. A constructive request by a Excom member, in the right direction since correcting your assumption.Feb 9, 2:20 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  357. WilliamI guess then Peter harrison was also an email to Anita rather than a voluntary contribution to the forum. Well, not as rosy as I thought, but it is still good to see constructive correspondence.Feb 9, 1:39 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  358. adminWilliam having equal representation makes sense and would eliminate one segment dominating over another. Richard Gie might just be what the Marina needs,new blood with new ideas. You should also note that his email was to Anita and not to my website directly.Feb 9, 11:08 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  359. WilliamHello Peter Harrison. Welcome to this forum. It is wonderful to see Excom taking part. Looking forward to more interaction which will lead to a great healing in the Marina.Feb 9, 10:58 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  360. WilliamI mean representitive!Feb 9, 10:40 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  361. WilliamAnother suggestion from me is that Excom should be made up of people from all the different segments of Marina Da Gama. For example, 2 from Oudevlei, 2 from Park island, 2 from eastlake etc. I feel that Excom will be much better represented.Feb 9, 8:44 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  362. Concerned ResidentMaybe Cherry can leave out some of the Vrygrond rubbish. At least Anita’s stuff is relevant to the Marina.Concerned ResidentFeb 8, 11:26 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  363. WilliamGuys, remember the point of an association:1. it is a central point from which we manage our affairs,2. it gives us a stronger voice when we want to change something via the governmentIf the association is not valid, then let’s MAKE IT VALID. We need it for the good of us all. It is such a waste of time going on and on about the validity. It is something we need so lets make it valid via the normal channels of meetings and votings instead of fragmenting ourselves into puny little squabbling groups.I feel that the objectors are thinking, “here’s a great loophole, the association is not valid, therefore we don’t need to follow any of the rulings.”I say, don’t worry about how it was started, formalise it now, because we need to stand together.But together always has to be done democratically. That’s the only way to channel the energy of a dynamic group of people; majority vote.So, if there is anything you don’t like, you just propose the change, get people to vote and if your request gets the majority vote, then it shall be implemented.If you think the quorum is too small, propose a change and vote on it. If the levies are too high, propose a change and vote on it. It is your right!Richard Gie has stated this very clearly and it is all true.Richard Gie has also stepped up to the plate and made comments on this website, a remarkable first input from Excom since this website was started. He should be welcomed. His efforts should be seen as a positive step forward. Welcome him. Discuss things constructively with him.Having said that, Richard, seeing as how you have stepped up to the plate, when can we all get together, everyone, and have a constructive workshop/discussion/meeting to solve this Marina problem? Excom have thus far had zero to say on this very open and fair forum. What is the procedure to calling an official meeting? Can we rely on you to bring us together?In a conflict situation, there is seldom one side that is completely wrong while the other side is completely right. So when we do get together, people of the Marina, leave your frustrations and angers and hurtfulness at home. Come with an open mind for positive compromise and constructive change. It is so easy to do.Most important - the constitution is never carved in stone. You/us/everyone has the right to propose a change and vote on it. The constitution is there for you, by you and Excom only facilitate it, they don’t rule it. If any change to the constitution has been done without following the correct channels, then no-one needs to worry, the change is null and void.Finally – one thing that I just can’t get my head around, if you don’t turn up at meetings then you cannot cast your vote. That’s logical, isn’t it? People in the crowd can tell you to shut up and sit down and Excom can ignore that people told you to shut up and sit down, but nobody can stop you proposing a constitutional change and nobody can stop you voting on it (unless you have not paid your subs, as written in that very constitution - and if you don’t like that rule, then propose a change to it as well – that’s what following the normal channels is all about). And if you cannot make it to the meeting, you can vote by proxy.Thank you Richard Gie for saying a few words on this forum. Thank you Anita for always being calm and mature and reasonable.Let’s get together everyone. This is not a difficult thing to solve if we all cast away our egos and habitual aggressions and defensiveness and all those things that keep a conflict burning.Feb 8, 10:26 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  364. admin“Hi Theresa. I have always believed that open, healthy debate is constructive. Glad a member of ExCom finally acknowledges this too.Feb 8, 12:45 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  365. KarinDoes Mr. Gie understand the legal implications of the changes proposed to the Constitution? From his letter posted Feb 7, 2008 - it does not appear so..Feb 8, 11:46 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  366. TheresaVery constructive.
    Well done.Feb 8, 10:28 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  367. Richard GieHi AnitaNice web site.
    As it is security related do you have a problem publishing weekly crime
    statistics so that residents who subscribe can get an idea of the trends of
    what is happening in the marina.It would also be a good idea to add a page of tips for residents whereby we
    could give warnings based on problem areas (Did you know that there have
    been 2 smash and grabs at the Military road / Prince George drive
    intersection over the last couple of weeks involving residents)RegardsRichard GieFeb 8, 10:26 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  368. Dingbat;-)Feb 8, 9:33 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  369. Headless Chicken (another)Why is it that the Excom have NEVER initiated an open discussion forum with ALL members to discuss in a mature adult fashion the concerns MANY of us have regarding both the amendments and the implementation of a security scheme?How difficult would it be to issue an open invitation to (all) members to attend a healthy debate at which knowledgeable persons including your own legal counsel could address queries honestly and accurately. Would THAT not be the democratic, fair and transparent route to enlisting everyone’s support? As for this contrived ‘bottom up’ independent negotiation process you’ve embarked on to secure your 90% (financial) support, who are you trying to kid?This was a healthy and happy community until this security/levy nonsense started. If you haven’t got your support after so long (how many years is it now?) then surely it is self-evident that the majority of members DON’T WANT IT.Feb 8, 8:59 AM — ExCom Members Respond
  370. opposedDUH!
    Theresa BEETGE decided to join the committee so she could get a better understanding why why there are rules.
    Is the general mentality of Association members?With this kind of thinking one can only wonder if Theresa and South Africa’s energy minister are distant relatives since she thinks going to bed early makes a person “cleverer”Feb 7, 11:47 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  371. adminTONI JOUBERT -WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THIS??It was decided by Toni Joubert not to service un-kept verges in San Marina, for fear of residents expecting further service.What exactly are you insinuating and implying?Do you sleep well at night making a statement like this!
    Nothing less than shockingFeb 7, 11:33 PM — Anita puts ExCom to task
  372. Concerned ResidentMr. Gie. Please can you tell us how to follow the correct channels if the Executive Committee continues to ignore us? I can only agree that you are a sad and depressing bunch. Serve the community? Which part of the community, your rich friends who can afford levies on their property? Remember one thing, Anita is not the only one objecting. Why is ExCom only pandering to her objections? What about ours? Is Anita the headless chicken and the rest of the objectors only the chickenfeed? As the new committee member, you are in a prime position to ascertain the facts about the objectors. Please do so! Concerned ResidentFeb 7, 7:43 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  373. Pierre NiehausHi all
    Have made for some interesting reading. Unfortunaltly I travel alot due to work and have not been able to make most of the meeting. I am fully behind Anita, as I have had a shoddy or no response from the commitee when I have asked questions about certian issues. I live in San MarinaFeb 7, 7:41 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  374. GlenTheresa.
    Nice people don’t write the kind of drivel which the Association has slung towards their opponents.
    Mr Gie.
    I would like to know: What’s the use of voting in changes to a constitution which is not valid. Why bother? Any change to an invalid constitution will be as invalid as the original constitution.
    Anita.
    I would also like to know what this committee has to say for itself. It has a lot to answer for. Welcome back. You have been quite for too long.Feb 7, 7:35 PM — ExCom Members Respond
  375. GlenI would like to know the answers to these questions too. I think that ExCom’s treatment of the objectors has been shocking and that, quite frankly, they should all resign.
    How dare they change the constitution regardless of the Council resolution? How dare they!!!
    So by the way, we were promised a copy of the new constitution at the AGM. Another broken promise?
    I see that more and more houses are for sale in Marina Da Gama. With the increase in interest rates, electricity, and general cost of living, who wants the threat of levies to a lying, insulting, neglectful association hanging over their heads?
    To coin a phrase: “Off with their heads!”Feb 6, 7:42 AM — Anita puts ExCom to task
  376. GlenI wonder what happened to SD? He/she started out all gung-ho and then just disappeared. Come on SD. Scared of a little criticism? Hey, SD old bud, we need a little laugh. Where are you.Jan 7, 8:00 PM — Gated Communities
  377. TonyIt seems to me that Cape Town is being wise in their Gated Community policy. It cannot be fair that people are being barricaded from public property, so if communities want to become gated, they will have to buy the roads and other infrastructure or, at the very least, pay for its upkeep. After all, you cannot expect the public tax-money to pay for exclusive use areas!! Now let’s see what that would mean for Marina Da Gama. We have to pay for our own electrical cables. We will have to pay for our own roads. We will have to look after our own sewerage system. We will have to pay for keeping the waterways clean. Yes, we would no longer have the use of Council’s Kingfisher. We will either have to rent it from Council or buy our own. Our parks will have to be kept by the Association. Thus far all these things were included in our rates and all the work was done by Council. One wonders why we had to pay the Association any fees at all? What have they done with our yearly subs? That is, except having it stolen?
    Do you still think a gated community is viable?Jan 7, 7:59 PM — Gated Communities
  378. JasonWilliam ( voice of not so reasonable)
    From your elaborate posting and recent comment in particular, you seem to be very young or extremely naive. Before assuming the role of the voice of reason, a stroll back in time would have been beneficial to help you understand the reasons for all this conflict between the current minority association and the growing headless chickens (objectors), as your association chairman puts it.
    When people realize how dangerous the current association is - if it were legal - you and many residents will be on the chicken run. If democracy was the order of the day, then Harrison and his goons and lamb followers would be out in the cold. William this is not a attack on you personally but please read all the material on the website by Anita which is purely factual and then comment again.Jan 1, 8:43 PM — Qually does not like us
  379. EditorI cannot other than agree that the Executive Committee is not the sheriff of the town. Your problems start when you have an executive committee like ours who are not prepared to listen to you. Then you have to take them to court to prove your point.
    To make matters worse, you have to take them to the High Court, as it is a matter concerning immovable property. High Court action runs into hundreds of thousands of Rands, and if you sue them, you will be liable for their legal costs too, because you are a member, regardless of whether you win or loose or whether you are awarded costs or not.
    The people who are negatively affected by the changes to the constitution are generally not in the high income bracket. They do not have the means to fight the matter on legal grounds.
    I do not know what you mean by: “Changes to the constitution have not been implemented without a legal vote”
    If you say that a legal vote has been taken legally, please consider the following:
    1 The vote was taken by less than 30% of the people;
    2 About 20% of the people were not even invited to vote – they did not receive notice;
    3 People were not informed of the legal implications of what they were voting on. They were only voting for security.
    I could give you a couple of more facts, but you can read that elsewhere on this site.
    If you are saying that the changes to the constitution have not been implemented, you are wrong again. Apparently the new constitution is at the printers, ready for printing.
    If the Association is prepared to prove that they have the majority vote, so be it, but they are not willing to do so.
    I cannot other than to see them as an unlawful body, doing unlawful things and taking unlawful actions. For that reason, it is necessary to have an alternative association to fall back on. It is only a matter of time before this will be proven. Stick with them, if you must, but that is your choice, not mine.
    I, for one, am not prepared to take legal responsibility for the ExCom’s actions. If they get sued, (and Anita certainly has plenty of personal grounds to sue them), we can be held responsible. If the objectors do decide to take the matter to the High Court, you, as a voluntary member of this association, will have to foot at least part of the bill. You are not indemnified, if that was what you thought. Think about it, and then put it into perspective by taking ExCom’s actions this past year. The threat of them getting sued is rising by the day. You may also consider that they are acting contrary to their own constitution by not implementing the levies, now that they claim that the constitution has been changed. The constitution now does not allow for yearly subscriptions, but only for monthly levies.
    As for the quorum, where have you EVER seen that 2% of the membership can be representative of a community? Quorums normally ask for at least 50%. If you wish to be seen as the Voice of Reason, please be reasonable.
    This Association is an embarrassment. They even went as far as, on OUR behalf, without consulting us, supporting the controversial “Loitering Bill” which, thank goodness, was proven to be undemocratic and unconstitutional. This was an inherent racist, undemocratic piece of proposed legislation, and WE are on record as supporting it! How embarrassing.
    You again have it very wrong. We are not going to be happy just because the levies were not implemented. We do not want the TREAT of levies hanging over us. EVER! It was my conscious, deliberate choice not to buy a sectional title property, because I did not want levies hanging over me. No-one has the right to change that without my consent, AND I DO NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO DO SO.
    Do yourself a favour and ask ExCom for something, anything, really. The Minutes of their ExCom meetings, copies of contracts entered into on our behalf, or something like that. I can tell you now that you will not be able to even view them!
    You are not dealing with a normal, rational Executive Committee. They are secretive and cunning, so do not be fooled, you are at risk. Everyone is.Dec 24, 4:53 PM — Qually does not like us
  380. WilliamWhat I can’t figure out is that an executive committee is not a sherif of a town. An executive committee is not law. An executive committee is simply a facilitator of the wishes of the members of the association that it serves.Those wishes are voted upon by the members.If, therefore, a decision needs to be made, only a vote will determine if it does get made. There is not an executive committee in the world that can operate otherwise. There is absolutely no way an executive committee can say, “There is no public to be consulted.” unless there is a clause in the constitution that says so, and who would allow a clause like that?So the Excom does not have power over you. Period. Excom is only facilitating the wishes of the members and if the majority of members vote to implement a monthly levy for security only then can it be implemented. And if your vote not to have monthly is in the minority, then you need to make peace with that. This is democracy.That is why I say to us all that if you want to have an influence on the Marina da Gama, then vote on it. It is your right, and Excom cannot do anything else but what the majority wishes of the members are.Why then should the Excom be feared? By law they can only do what the majority members say they can do.Being in the minority is not easy, but democracy is still the best way to run a group of people; be they a country or a home owners association.And yes, a quorum is a small group of people representing the whole. Quorums are always small because people generally don’t bother to turn up to vote on decisions. So, before the concept of a quorum was invented, nothing could move forward. If you want decisions made that represent the people of the Marina, then:1. Realise that the Marina Association is your association, then
    2. Support it by paing your subs, then
    3. turn up for the meetings and vote.Excom has no power over you. They are not supposed to. Their job is similar to politicians in that they are your ‘public servant’, in our case, the ‘home owners association servant’.- If Excom do believe they have carte blanche then they have it very wrong. (Dear Peter Harrison and Excom, what is your take on this comment?)
    - If the Objectors think that they can make decisions without counting your vote, then they have it very wrong. (Dear Objectors, what is your take on this comment?)
    - And if you think that a minority wish will be catered for by the majority, then you have it very wrong.It’s tough, but it is fair to more people than it is unfair to the rest. That’s democracy.At the end of the day, the monthly levies have not been implemented. The blanket security scheme has not been implemented. Changes to the constitution have not been implemented without a legal vote. I guess democracy is catering for the majority wishes.If you were campaigning to not have monthly levies, then you have ‘won’. Pat yourself on the back. Job done. Halt the bun fight. No need for personal insults etc. Chill.Me naive? Well, I respect your opinion and I understand where you are coming from to have that opinion, but I don’t agree. I believe/think I am the voice of reason where a lot of people have lost the plot and allow personal emotions to get in the way of logic.I believe I am suggesting the ideal way that people in the Marina should operate/react to this controversy and that this ideal way is not a pie in the sky (as ideals often are), it is a clear headed objective approach without taking sides.I doesn’t make sense for a group of people with the same goals (capital growth on their property investment and family security) to take sides. Taking sides creates a border that separates the sides. The moment you have a border between people, you have conflict. That’s why I recommend that we:1. stick to one association,
    2. stop the fighting as we only go backwards in war, and
    3. allow democracy to take its course.Thank you everyone for reading and reacting to my comments. Thank you to whoever set up this forum.Are we one step closer to the Marina Street Party?Dec 23, 8:05 PM — Qually does not like us
  381. Very ConcernedSo, Qually does not like us? Mr. Qually, how can I have a “Joyous Festive Season” when I have the threat of monthly levies hanging over my head? Yes, I know they are not implementing them … YET! But you and I both know it will happen, sooner or later, and I blame YOU, Mr. Qually.
    I think Anita is rather magnanimous towards Peter Harrison though. I don’t think I would have been that kind. Demetri Qually only has a Damelyn Diploma in Business Management, but Peter Harrison, on the other hand, was(is) affiliated to Deloitte Touche. Harrison should know better.
    William, you seem like a nice fellow, but please, don’t be naïve. Before you say things like “And don’t worry about Excom making money out of it etc. We just get proposals from professional companies and choose the best one and commission them on contract with measurable duties, which, if not performed, gets that security company fired and new one employed. Simple.” why don’t you try dealing with this ExCom first? See how far any of your suggestions will bring you. They won’t listen to you, or anyone else. Peter Harrison said: “Talk of a public participation process is misplaced. There is no public to be consulted.” and someone else in ExCom said: “we do not want to be tied hand and foot and obliged to answer to the members at every turn. We want carte blanche to do as we see fit. That is the beginning and end of the matter.”
    They are already asking for R3 000 000.00 (yes, that is six zeros) a year for a security scheme which could have been implemented at a third of the price. Do you really advocate that people need to take a second job in order to afford it? Or loose their homes? While they don’t believe it will work? There are people out here who, never mind that holiday you are talking about, can barely afford to put food on the table with the increases in interest rates, school fees, food.
    You are also loosing sight of the fact that the changes to the constitution are NOT ONLY FOR SECURITY. It is for whatever they can think up next too. Why don’t you just give them a blank cheque?
    Excom do not have the right to charge levies, take care of our security and nor do they have the right to charge levies, and if you think we will be consulted, you are sorely mistaken.Dec 20, 9:10 AM — Qually does not like us
  382. GlenI must say, I am bitterly disappointed in this Councillor. I have gone through the internet sites sporting his name, and all I found was excuses and comments on things other people did. What has he done for us?
    In the day, Joye Gibbs was everywhere to be seen and she was always trying to improve the area, but Demetri is invisible, or just a spoke in the wheel.
    Look at what he said about the Muizenberg pavilion. I don’t know, do we really have to have such a negative person representing us?Dec 19, 7:27 AM — Qually does not like us
  383. adminQually the apparent Marina Da Gama councillor is a pathetic excuse of a politician. Up to now this elected spokesman has not had the common decency to reply to any criticism thrown at him. At the very least perhaps he could have set the record straight on some matters.
    Could you just imagine a STRANGER introducing himself and saying: “My name is Demetri Qually, how can I help!” instead of ” I’m coucillor Qually” and I don’t like you AND don’t need to answer or reply to ANY letters or e-mails in the interest of a suburb being torn apart by minority mis-management.Dec 18, 11:39 AM — Qually does not like us
  384. A Headless ChickenI noticed that the esteemed Chairman did not bother to write us a chairman’s report in the latest newsletter.
    It is also clear that ExCom did not understood what Mr. Daniels was on about, as what ExCom sucked out of their thumb is as unintelligible as their normal jargon.Dec 18, 10:18 AM — Qually does not like us
  385. WilliamI see that insults are being thrown in both directions now. It’s not constructive and a lot of it is downright hurtful.Think before you type anything. Think to yourself, “Is what I am about to say constructive and therefore helpful to solve the problem?.”If not, don’t type it.The reason for having an association in any group of people is to pool our resources and make sure that our investment is secure. I can only think of three things that we need an association for:1) We need security from people who may want to suddenly paint their house pink and turn the Marina into an eyesore.2) The violent crime requires us to channel some of our hard earned cash into more security. It is a pity as we could use tht money to go on holiday, for example. If we do it as a group, then we can get more value for our money. It is much more exspensive doing it alone or in smaller groups.And don’t worry about Excom making money out of it etc. We just get proposals from professional companies and choose the best one and commision them on contract with measureable duties, which, if not performed, gets that security company fired and new one employed. Simple.3) We need to lobby/discuss/campaign issues with council/government when we are not happy with something, like the parks are not maintained, or the waterways not dredged, or the street lights not working.The council/government will listen to a BIG, POWERFUL group rather than scattered groups and individuals.………….
    I say, therefore, that despite differences, we should take a deep breath, smile, wiggle the tenseness from our shoulders, get together, everyone, whether you have paid or not, and structure a new scheme that does it’s best to cater for all and to cater for the 3 reasons mentioned above. The votes will then show us ALL just who the minority is as I don’t believe anyone knows.After structuring this scheme, we can have a street party. :)Dec 18, 5:56 AM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  386. AuthorHi Eve.Just for you. Hope you like it.Dec 16, 11:11 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  387. EditorThank you EveI am working on trying to find out how the photo can be changed, thus far to no avail. It is part and parcel of the default theme, but soon I will figure it out and then we will have a beautiful photo of Marina Da Gama itself. That is a promise!Regards
    EditorDec 16, 5:19 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  388. Eve Watsona comfortable website to look and negotaite but why a “foreign” photo of snowy mountains in Fall?Dec 16, 5:16 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  389. DocDear Lara,Wow talking about bleating,squealing and moaning. That is what you are doing. You sit the pot miss and now you sound like an old woman with a wet panty. I cannot recall where the Anita clan moaned or even insulted Peter Harrison. He is the one who insulted the Anita clan. I also do not know where you get the information that we are in the minority. It is just the opposite.3 members tried for more that six years to get a voluntary security plan for the Marina. They even organized house parties to promote the scheme. At the end the residents were not interested. Excom then try to change the constitution so that the plan can go ahead. Nobody is stopping them from implementing the plan. To you all who are bitching about the security plan, please join the local scheme.I am now going on a two week break overseas and when I am back, I will become actively involved with the Anita clan to prove that our homeowners association does not exist. I will also apply to remove the condition, that I must be member of the association, from my title deed.TO YOU ALL WHO SUPPORTED THE ANITA CLAN THANK YOU AND HAVE A WONDERFUL FESTIVE SEASON AND A 2008.
    DocDec 16, 9:06 AM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  390. GlenHi Kevin
    Well, even your dear Peter Harrison admitted that there is NOT ENOUGH SUPPORT for the Marina-wide security scheme, which is why it has been shelved.Yet, and I cannot emphasise this enough, he does want to keep the changes to the constitution. What for? This caricature of a man has ripped this community apart. He prances around like a peacock (apologies to the poultry community) dishing out insults as if it were Christmas presents. The man should stop looking so deep into the bottle. Maybe then he will be able to see the immeasurable damage he is doing to this community.We used to have street parties, market days and all kinds of nice communal things here in the Marina. Strange, I have noticed that it is mostly the supporters of the Marina-wide security scheme who are so aggressive and obnoxious.My question to you, though, is what have the Association done to deserve even as little as R170,00 a year? Have they maintained the parks? No! That gets done by Council. Have they maintained the waterways? No! That too gets done my Council? Do they maintain common property? No, we do not have common property.Peter Harrison has done immeasurable harm to our community with his insults and revolting tactics. The downfall of this Association will be on his head. He just could not leave well enough alone.Dec 15, 5:00 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  391. Kevin STo the Doc, and Anita brigade.
    The post “voice of Reason” mentioned you infiltrated the AGM, why hide??
    Why not pay your nominal R170.00 and hold your heads up high. Why hide and sneak around!
    What has dear Peter Harrison done which has not been in the interest of all residents of the Marina. As a pathetic minority with no legal standing you lot have caused unnecessary delays in implementing a beneficial service.
    My goodness, don’t you lot have anything better to do than criticize our chairman.
    In support of LaraDec 15, 3:25 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  392. A Headless ChickenOh dear, Lara Girlie, are we now going to stomp our feet and be angry? And, have the objectors now, in addition to being headless chickens, also become goats and pigs?
    So by the way, my Title Deed says I have to belong to the Eastlake Association, an association which does not exist.
    You know, shooting blanks can be as pleasurable as the other type, and much safer. Don’t knock it.
    Now, if you calm down, we will put your toys back into your cot and you can then play nicely.
    So by the way, doesn’t Lara mean “bitter water”. Hmmm, makes you think!Dec 14, 10:27 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  393. laraDon’t your people ever stop bleating, squealing,always complaining about something. Simply save yourselves a lot of embarrassment and future legal fees and pay up and be done with this obnoxious pathetic behavior.Your deeds say its compulsory to be a member and pay!
    And by the way Doc I understand your frustration, it must be terrible shooting blanks all the time.Dec 14, 4:05 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  394. DocLara you are sitting the pot miss. The so called security plan might go ahead but at least 40% of members will not pay for it. The Anita clan is not objecting to the security. They are objecting to the change of the constitution that a monthly levy will be charged. That levy is not specified for security. It is a monthly levy that can be used for anything. It is wide open. If they changed the constitution for a security levy only it is completely different. Lets have a referendum where ALL Marina owners can vote on a security plan for the Marina and not just paid up members. Also to get a professional company in to give advice on the Marina security plan. The present so called security plan was worked out by an accountant. What does he knows of security? It took him almost 4 years to work it out and what a stuff up it is.They want levies to be paid for an Estate Manager etc. At the end we will be paying more on salaries and fancy titles and security comes 2nd.Next time please watch where the pot is.Dec 14, 1:53 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  395. A Headless ChickenLara, dear girl,you have not read your newspapers lately, lovey. Gated communities will have to pay their own way these days. Your own refuse removal (the association cannot even look after standards never mind our refuse removal), our own electrical supply (that’s not the stuff in your house, my dear, that’s the stuff under ground, you know the wires Council keep on having to dig up because there is something wrong with it), our own street lighting, sewerage pipelines etc. How can you possibly think that this will be at a nominal cost, dear girl?
    Implement your security scheme and loose your house, by all means.
    In the mean time, I hope the HEADLESS CHICKEN BRIGADE will continue fighting for us. Viva Anita! Anita for PRESIDENT. Watch out Thabo, watch out Jacob, Anita is coming!!Dec 14, 9:18 AM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  396. laraThe Doc must be part of the Anita clan of supporters. This pathetic minority of residents have managed to throw a community into turmoil.The security scheme that should have been implemented already at a NOMINAL COST beneficial to all residents is on hold currently. Buyers now days want secure often gated suburbs and are willing to pay the extra price for this peace of mind. So to Doc and to the rest of those narrow minded Anita supporters out there, property prices will retain their values as the security plan will be implemented with or without your support eventually.Dec 13, 11:02 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  397. A Headless ChickenWe may be headless chickens (the objectors) but at least we are not chicken like the Association. Where are they? Why do we not hear anything from them? CHICKENS!!!Dec 13, 2:50 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  398. DocMid year we had 75 homes on the market in the Marina. An estate agent told me a lot had to do with Excom and their attitude towards the monthly levy.Demitri Qually will never sort this mess out as he is all in faviour of the security plan and he even promised at the 2006 AGM in January that when the DA takes over the city “we will talk again”. He even told Excom at that AGM not do anything till after the local elections. You want to tell me that is not political interference?Dec 13, 12:21 PM — Property Prices in Marina Da Gama
  399. SCI live in Eastlake Island, and way back, before this association started interfering with the security, there was a dedicated security vehicle in the Marina and patrols were done regularly. Then talk started of a Marina-wide security scheme, and the Chub vehicle was all of a sudden shared with other vehicles.I still pay Chub for monitoring and armed response, and I believe so does about 600 other households in Marina Da Gama.Now that we have a “security scheme” in Park Island, run by Southern Security, we never see the Chub vehicle in this part of the woods. They are always in Cannon Island Way and Battleridge Road.With in the region of 600 members in Marina Da Gama, Chub should have a dedicated patrol car for Marina Da Gama. Quite frankly, I am thinking of boycotting Chub. Why am I paying them if they are not even prepared to patrol my area?
    SCDec 9, 9:47 PM — Voice of Reason
  400. AnonymousHi William.
    Carefull Bud, pretty soon you will be co-opted onto excom. It has long been roumoured that you will then be asked to do the chicken-dance and swear an oath of secrecy. We’ll miss your input. It’s a wonder Anita has not been co-opted yet.Dec 8, 7:48 PM — Voice of Reason
  401. AnitaIn all fairness to Peter Harrison, it was not he who told the members to shut up and sit down, it was members who shouted at other members. Peter merely allowed it to happen.Dec 8, 1:04 PM — Voice of Reason
  402. EditorDear William
    Just to clarify some matter I have to say the following:
    You clearly have not read your constitution. 60 people (out of a possible 1300) represent a quorum. It has been one of the major objections in this matter and is one of the reasons why I call this constitution a “viper in our midst” and unconstitutional.
    ExCom are mostly co-opted and not voted in. I did not see any members of ExCom being voted in at the AGM.
    An ExCom member was earmarked for the Security Manager’s job of R20 000.00 per month (for what will effectively be a half-day job). She was to have an assistant at R10 000.00 per month. Debt collecting was going to be done by an ExCom member’s company. Do you want more?
    The Association’s AGM’s are private and only members and their spouces (or guests) are allowed to attend. I do not consider myself a member of this Association, so, yes, I did infiltrate the meeting.Dec 8, 12:53 PM — Voice of Reason
  403. GWIf you read the page, the Viper in our Midst, you will see that the viper refers to the constitution. I agree wholeheartedly that it is a dangerous snake, waiting to strike.
    There is a huge difference between a homeowners and a civic association. In a civic associaiton, you will not be able to rule in such a bully-style. People will resign.
    What gives anyone the right to change the fundamental conditions on which I bought my home without my permission? Whether i have paid my subs or not, you do not have the right to make that decission. If you are deciding on when to have meetings, grass verges etc. yeah, I won’t have the right to vote if I had not paid, but not on fundamental issues such as implementing a sectional-title scheme when I bought my home freehold. Eventually everyone will have to pay in any event, even if it is only when you sell your property, so, yes, if people are going to be materially effected by the decision, everyone should have a vote, (even long-term tenants.)
    As for the conflict resolution idea, great idea, if totally impractical. 1300 households, 1300 different opinions.Dec 8, 12:18 PM — Voice of Reason
  404. WilliamOnce again, it is quite bewildering to hear that people get told to “sit down and shut up.” Excom, did this happen? If so, this is not leadership. What is your side of the story?Has it been proposed to Excom that we get an arbitrator in?It is beginning to be clear to me that the problem is two fold:1. Poeple do not like the way teh Excom seem to change the constitution at will. I am no property lawyer but I do know that any change to the constitution has to be voted on by a quorum at least and if changes have been made without the proper quorum present and without it being properly voted on then that change cannot be. The Excom cannot change things in the constitution at will no matter how much they try. So the sensible thing is to be there at the meetings and vote. They may be able to tell you to sit down and shut up but they can’t tell you not to vote. So attend the meetings and vote otherwise the AGm are made up of people who support the Excom. if you want your cause addressed, get your supporters together and go there and vote.I need to re-emphasise that the Home Owners Association, the Constitution and the Excom are there for us and by us. If you want to see change, be there and vote on it rather than staying away and shouting from the side lines.If the vote does not go your way, then you are in the minority. Make peace with it and keep in mind that pooling resources is better than splitting resources.2. It seems people do not want to go into a type of group security scheme. This is a pity as we can do so much more as a group by pooling our financial resources. If Excom have a crazy idea of how this will work and the costs involved, why not look into it ourselves and work with them and see which security company can do better. it is not actually up to the Excom to do this. They can volunteer, like they do for everything else, but there is no harm in us all helping out. At least then you have a hand in organising this and the final outcome is influenced by you.I agree that having a boom is not going to help as it focuses the gaurds there. A patrolling unit, one car and two bicycles per island, for example, is much better. A show of force on an unplanned route means the criminals cannot predict the patrol and plan their evenings ’shopping’.I see that people have already spent money on their own systems but all systems can be bypassed. An armed unit on a random looping partrol is much better. Hell, if the government would listen I would have the army deployed on all our streets. Crime would stop instantly. Anyone wanna join me in lobbying the government for this? I am pretty sure that our infantry has little to do and our tax money is paying them to have little to do.Doc, you mentioned a 3rd force behind the puppet Peter harrison. Interesting idea. What I have not understood yet is what this 3rd force stand to gain. Money? Excom don’t get paid for their time(I hope). maybe an underhanded consiracy to get their own security company in on the deal? Nepotism? Power? Over what and whom? This is a tiny little suburb on planet Earth. Why would anyone try to gain from it and what could they gain from it?I respectfully request that you please avoid words like ’stupid’. Remember, every action that any of us take, objectors and supporters alike, should be constructive. If I was Peter harrison and I read that, I would not be inspired to change my ways or listen to you. So it has no value and makes no contribution to the solution.If Peter harrison and Excom told people to shut up and sit down, I acknowledge, that is really bad. But don’t hit back or we will never know in the end who threw the first punch and we will contunue to point fingers.Eerybody keep your side respectful and clean so that there are no judgements made based on revenge, hate etc.Respect to Anita for her words above. I feel she is a good example to all that despite disagreements, we never need to pass personal insults.Excom, how about some constructive discussion from you? This is an open forum. Voice your frustrations (kindly), make constructive criticisms (always) and let’s stop this controversy in it’s tracks.It can be done!Dec 8, 12:03 PM — Voice of Reason
  405. AnitaDear WilliamI can only say: “If only.”
    I am, and have always been, more than willing to sit and thrash this thing out. Alas we have not been able to achieve this.
    The reason why most of the objectors do not speak up at (or even come to)the association’s AGM’s is because, on previous occasions, they were told to shut up and sit down etc. Why go to an AGM if you are not heard?
    All things aside, Mr. Harrison does not even have to apologise to me personally. I hold no grudges and am still willing to talk.Dec 7, 5:13 PM — Voice of Reason
  406. Doc JanWilliam read the so-called Constitution. Excom can appoint an arbitrator. They will never do that because the so-called constitution is so outdated and not inline with the constitution of the country. The objectors are objecting to the way Excom went about in changing the so-called constitution. I suggest you write to Excom and asked them to appoint an arbitrator.Dec 7, 4:58 PM — Voice of Reason
  407. DocJust to remind you that Peter Harrison is the puppet. There is a 3rd force behind this and controlling Harrison. I think he is too stupid to see that. I will see the the Parlement Chairman of Home Affairs just after the opening of Parlement in 2008 about Harrison. Harrison gets all emotional when he gets attacked in the media but when he attacks the objectors that is nothing. We must remember it is under his poor chairmanship that we are in this mess. Qually is also part of this mess. The DocDec 7, 4:56 PM — Voice of Reason
  408. CheshirecatI have mixed feelings on this letter. Mostly, I agree with it, although I do have some comments. In this comment, I will only concentrate on one aspect of your letter, but as security is the reason why this whole conflict started, I feel it is the most important one.
    The security scheme as envisaged by the Association is, in my opinion, not only inadequate, but also seriously dangerous. It soothes people into a false sense of security, thereby allowing them to drop their guard and exposing them to danger.
    Guards cannot always be trusted, and even if they are trustworthy, they are easily circumvented.
    Questions
    - Why, with so many South African citizens subscribing to some or other security firm, is our crime rate higher than it ever was?
    - The Association wants R220.00 per month for security, not R170.00. Why should it cost more when all of us pay than when we pay for it in our own private schemes?
    - The Association wants R60 000 a month for administration of this scheme. Do you still think that they will not want to make money out of it?
    - Park Island Quays, a genuine ‘security complex.’ has and extremely high crime rate, one of the highest in the Marina. Surely this proves that guarding is not the solution?
    I agree that, if the majority of the people want the security scheme, they should have it. It is clear that the majority do not see it as a solution. If the rest feel that the security scheme will work, let them pay for it voluntarily. Nobody is stopping them, but they should stop bullying their neighbours into joining. If their neighbours feel it is a waste of money, they should not be called names, ostracized or pressured. We should not be asked to take a second job to pay for something we do not believe in.
    Lastly, this has very little to do with the levies ExCom wanted to ask. You got something for your levies - rates were paid, the building painted, public open spaces maintained etc. We don’t. We have to pay our own rates, paint our own buildings and, incidentally, look after our own safety. We have no common property and the parks etc. are looked after by Council. This has everything to do with property rights and the fact that we did not buy into a security village because we did not want to live in a security village.Dec 7, 3:00 PM — Voice of Reason
  409. adminWell, well Inspector Jan is moving up the food chain, now he is a member of the excom. The only question I now have will he still be requesting a salary? Does he realise excom members may not be paid.How can Inspector Jan, who did nothing for the Marina standards become an excom member? This can only be a blessing for the objectors and can only happen in SA, where some clown does a lousy job yet moves up the food chain just to get rid of him.My feeling is that Inspector Jan looked for greener pastures as the heat was getting too much. Shame!!I have bad news for Jan da Exocom, I have my googly eye on your every move… Maybe you’ll grow a backbone and answer for your disfunctional Marina estate management skills.Dec 7, 1:04 PM — Email sent to Jan de Groote
  410. name withheldWhat! This person gets paid R37 393 according to the financial report. Please is there anybody out there who can give me an intelligent answer as to what his job entails and more to the point: what has been achieved by this individual. Value for money - the standards inspector and ward councillor are of the same pot, both are being paid for doing squat.Dec 7, 1:02 PM — Email sent to Jan de Groote
  411. resident saidWhat a farce! Councillor Demetri Qually is the subcouncil chairperson. It is my opinion that this councillor has no backbone, loves the sound of his own voice and does nothing for residents within his own ward.What has he done about the Prince George Drive crossing? On Monday 3 December 2007 there was another accident at this crossing where a young girl nearly lost her life on her way to school. How many people have to die before they do anything?What exactly does this employee of the state do? Is he part of the gravy train!!!In a recent local newspaper article, we are asked by the councillors for more input from the residents. Why then does he feel it’s beneath him to answer questions from residents and resolve or come up with logical solutions for the problems in the Marina and surrounding areas.What an utter farce to say that residents should get involved. Why? You don’t listen to us in any case. In my opinion the chairperson of the subcouncil - Demetri Qually - cannot, or rather will not, answer public questions from Marina DaGama residents. I see he has not even responded to the criticisms raised on this webpage, but they feel we need to go to them with our questions requiring urgent answers and solutions. Why should we waste our time?I feel that homeowners resisting the Marina Association’s bully tactics are sidelined by the councillor concerned. From what I hear, there were many objections raised with Council, but our Councillor seems to have done his level best to protect only ExCom.In my opinion, this councillor only seems to be successful in obstructing open debate and problem solving.Councillor Qually, what have you done for us?Dec 7, 12:56 PM — A Viper in our Midst
  412. GWI am confused. Assuming the councillors had access to the relevant information, they must have felt that there was no proper public participation in regard to this application for them to have made this resolution. This resolution cannot be just be a recommendation as council has clear guidelines regarding public participation. From what I understand, Council received an application, felt that public participation was insufficient and rejected the application. Simple.
    How can a council resolution therefore not be a resolution but a recommendation? What are these councillors doing? If they did not have the legal competency to deal with the matter, why did they waste our time for more than a year and a half. If I remember correctly, at last years’ AGM Qually brought another council employee to tell us that it was council’s duty to approve the constitution. Now he brings someone else to say different. Of course, he does not have the guts to say so himself, but he gets other people to do it for him.
    Council has very clear guidelines regarding public participation in regard to applications made to them, regardless of what the application is about.
    Qually should to his job and leave the political games. He is just causing this process to be prolonged, to the detriment of the entire community.Dec 6, 9:44 PM — A Viper in our Midst
  413. adminInspector Jan did nothing for the marina standards as far I as I can see. This can only happen in SA where some clown does a lousy job yet is voted in by a minority thus moves up the food chain of power.My feeling is that inspector Jan was looking for greener pastures as the heat was getting too much. Shame!!
    Currently our esteemed councillor has not bothered to reply to any open letters addressed for urgent attention by residents.This attitude will come back to haunt him comes re-election time.Dec 5, 3:28 AM — A Viper in our Midst
  414. BenjaminIt is sad that people who claim to represent the “majority”, now resort to intimidation when they do not get their way. In a democratic society, even the “minority” has a voice and rights too. Intimidation is a weapon used by cowards. AK, you have the support of the real majority of the residents of the Marina. I do not have a huge bank balance, the lawyers on the retainer nor the staff as some people do, however, i am a proud resident of the marina and a law abiding citizen who will support a just cause. We are all concerned about the security. We however cannot shovel minority-get-rich-schemes through peoples throaths and claim to be doing it for the community. I hope that at some point people will swallow their pride, abondon there-so-called plan and start engaging all residents afresh to find an alternative solution that enjoy the support of allDec 3, 10:53 AM — Declaration Of War
  415. wcalderWilma says Has SD read the article in the Cape Argus on the 29 November.The council have said they will not be responsible for services in a gated community.We will have to service or own sewage,roads,lighting,waterways etc.This is an old infrastructure,imagine what that will cost.I hope SD has a big fat chequebook so that he can pay his levies that will be a couple of thousand a month.This is very possible with the changes the assoc. have made to the constitution.Dec 1, 8:41 AM — Declaration Of War
  416. AnitaOn the lighter side, Allen Hepple asked me to quote him on the following: He said “You are a bitter woman who needs a man.” Well, Allen, I promised you I would quote you and I try to always keep my promises. Thanks for the lift and the chat after the meeting.
    AnitaNov 30, 1:56 PM — Quotable Quotes by ExCom 1
  417. AnitaDear SDI have read your comments with interest and can understand your frustration. If I felt that my family were threatened and that someone was preventing me from protecting them, I too would have lashed out.You are however mistaken if you believe that the objectors are trying to stop a security scheme. Our fight is about the Association’s constitution and we insist that our (and your) rights are protected in the constitution first. It is not necessary to give up our rights in order to implement a security scheme. We believe that this fight is worth fighting and will not back down.The one thing I am sure about, is that we are well within our rights to object to the changes sought to the constitution. I have reams of paperwork to back my case, and am quite willing to share the knowledge I have gained with you and your lawyers.Neither the security scheme nor the changes to the constitution were voted in by the majority of the homeowners in the Marina and now even the Executive Committee of the Association have been forced to admit that there is simply not enough support for this security scheme. In fact, barring one or two votes, the members at the recent AGM voted unanimously to suspend the scheme as it was felt that, at this stage, it is not a viable option. ExCom do however still insist on keeping the changes to the Constitution, which re-enforces our stance that the Marina-wide security scheme was merely a smokescreen in order for them to gain additional powers.I am convinced that, had ExCom been prepared to listen to our legitimate objections about the constitution, a security plan would have been in place already. Instead, we now have a community divided and no security plan.Your conclusion that there is only a handful of objectors can only have been gained from the misinformation that you have been subjected to in the Marina News distributed by ExCom. They have done their level best to make our group seem small and insignificant, but have now finally admitted that we have a substantial following. I have merely been the mouthpiece of many.Again. Our objections are about the changes to the Constitution. Please read your constitution. It is an important document with very real legal implications.Should you wish, I would be willing to discuss this matter with you, or anybody else, personally. Please contact me, my number is 084 3522 620. I look forward to hearing from you. If not, please do as your conscience prescribes.Nov 30, 6:23 AM — Declaration Of War
  418. CvdWI can’t believe that people are stupid enough to believe that the so called security-plan will work. I mean, really! The guard has no right to stop anyone from entering, and no right to search anyone on exiting. In addition, they get paid such pathetic salaries/wages that the gangs will inevitably bribe them to give information about which homes are vulnerable, who is at home etc. This guard will be in the ideal position to note your comings and goings, and you want to pay him to do so. And even if the guard cannot be bribed, a little bit of motivation, like threatening to break his kneecaps, will certainly do the trick. It is not a question of if it is going to happen, it is a question of when. The only way in which we are going to get true security, is if we get to know our neighbours, if we look out for one another and if we do it ourselves. We have a vested interest in a secure area, not some or other low-paid guard sitting at the entrance, chatting up girls or reading a book. Get real! It is time we look after one another, not pay someone to do it for us. It has been proven over and again that money does not buy loyalty. Let us become a true community and start looking out for one another. That is where our strength will lie, not in dishing out large amounts of money to the Association.Nov 30, 6:17 AM — Declaration Of War
  419. MariaIsn’t it sad to see that a community is so devided? Why does the MDGA not do something about it? Why is our Councillor not stepping in? What is happening here?Nov 29, 2:25 PM — Declaration Of War
  420. HMSD get a life and walk in with the bowler Money cannot buy power and the constitution is LAW not what you and the rest of your band say. There are 1360 houses in the Marina and not every one was asked about the security only a handful. Have you stopped to think about what EVERYONE wants and no just you. How can you only put the blame on one person (Anita) when she is the voice for the other residents that you and your band wish not to listen to and take into account the views of other people, to sling mud around and blame only makes you look guilty. What is the MDGA trying to hide. Take that from a concerned resident, and put your ideas to sleep. Bring on your big guns, we are not scared,nor stupid as Sidney quoted.Nov 29, 12:34 PM — Declaration Of War
  421. MikeDear SD I see that security, or rather insecurity is foremost on your mid. Unfortunately, no amount of security would be able to help you with that problem. I suggest that you spend all that money that you brag about on a good psychiatrist. At least that would be money well spent. It is clear that you either have not read the information that was sent to you or that you lack the intelligence to understand it. It is also clear that you have not attended the last AGM, otherwise you would not write such drivel. I think you would have a hard time finding a Lawyer to assist you with such a nonsense-case. I think you are a weak, narrow-minded little man who gets no respect from his neighbours or family. Now you are trying to gain respect, and unfortunately you have failed miserably. If you have the guts, I dare you to comment on this, so that I can have the chance to humiliate you even more that you have done yourself.Nov 29, 12:07 PM — Declaration Of War
  422. OnlookerWow, what sparked such intense frustration? Did the wife say “no”?Nov 29, 12:07 PM — Declaration Of War
  423. DocWhat a lot of nonsense from SD. Why not leave a name so that we can contact you and discuss this matter. The majority of residents will not pay a monthly levy. It is not about security it is how Excom pushed through a change in the constitution. Anita we support you and the time is now to prove that the Association does not exist. Peter Harrison must remember he is a foreigner in my country. This nonsense he has caused under his poor leadership must now come to an end. I will take it up with Home Affairs that he has no place in this country. We have enough information for Home Affairs to kick him out of this country. How can we allow a foreigner that SA residents might loose their property in the Marina. Thank you Anita. Dr.Nov 29, 12:06 PM — Declaration Of War
  424. PeterFinally, someone with money and power who is prepared to stand up for the Marina. I do wish you good luck with the court case though. It seems a bit of a dubious case, but probably worth trying.Nov 29, 12:05 PM — Declaration Of War
  425. AnonymousHey, Bud, what’s stopping you from starting a security scheme in your own area? Don’t you have enough support? Leave Anita alone. She is only looking after our interests. Go girl, we are right behind you.Nov 29, 12:03 PM — Declaration Of War
  426. FredI also support that the restriction removed from my title deed. Lets go for it.Nov 29, 11:27 AM — Marina Da Gama Newsletter Nov. 2007
  427. Erik WinterWhat SD fails to mention (perhaps because she doesn’t know) is that the MDGA didn’t tell residents that there are more security options and suggestions than they mentioned. Furthermore, I am given to understand that the security “scheme” is not going to happen, but the amendment to the constitution (which was supposedly necessary to let the security plan happen) is still on the table. Please ask yourself why this is so.Nov 29, 8:30 AM — Declaration Of War
  428. SidneyYou must be joking. No way would a judge or lawyer tell you that you have a case. Do you think we are stupid?Nov 29, 8:18 AM — Declaration Of War
  429. FredThank you for pointing this out. The Association is a big farce. The time is running out for them.Nov 29, 4:29 AM — Marina Ballot results farce
  430. FredIf SD is so concerned about the security, why not move out of the Marina. It is a small group of residents that want the “so-called” security. Why not have a referendum where 100% of residents can have their say.Nov 29, 4:24 AM — Declaration Of War
  431. CheshirecatI cannot believe SD’s agression. Security is important to all of us, but it seems as if we need to be protected from people like him. Why is it necessary to become so agressive? You say that Marina is something special so why are you ruining it by being so beastly? A declaration of war is simply unacceptable.Nov 29, 2:04 AM — Declaration Of War
  432. AnitaI do not know you, nor where you live, but I do take the safety of my neighbours and community to heart. I have, personally, gone out with a baseball-bat in the middle of the night to see why my neighbours’ dogs were barking and their alarm was blaring. I have personally chased after the burglars when they ran away. I would do the same for you, or any other stranger, if I were to notice something untoward.
    Similarly, I cannot sit back and see how large parts of the community are being forced into a situation where they are being robbed of their property rights. We bought our homes freehold, not sectional title with monthly levies hanging over our heads. You may not understand the dangers in the situation we are facing, but I do, and I see them as so dangerous that I have been prepared to spend lots of my own money and many, many hours of my time on protecting the community. I would not be able to live with myself if I did not.Nov 27, 3:22 AM — Concerned Resident
  433. KarlOne question: How concerned is Anita Koetsier about my personal safety?Nov 27, 2:35 AM — Concerned Resident
  434. AnitaDear KarelYou seem to be under the misimpression that the objectors are a stingy lot who want to save a buck or two by depriving you of a Marina-wide security scheme.
    You cannot be more wrong. I, personally, have already spent many years’ LEVIES in fighting the changes to the constitution, and I am not the only one. Please note, I am referring to the yearly subscription, not about the minimal yearly subs.
    You may not be able to see the dangers this constitution holds, but I assure you that we only have the best interests of the whole Marina at heart and that we too are fighting for your security. We only come from a different angle.
    May I ask you – HAVE YOU READ YOUR CONSTITUTION AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND ITS IMPLICATIONS?
    If you have not done so and do not understand its implications, you have no right to criticise us.Nov 26, 4:25 PM — Concerned Resident
  435. KARELStrange that ordinary people like me go to the AGM and note with appreciation that the Marina Da Gama Ass. are trying to increase my personal safety, and naturally there will be costs involved, and then the process is vehemently opposed by a minority who don’t seem to care about decreasing crime in the MArina.All they care about is their personal vendetta against the Association. If a home owner isn’t prepared to pay their subs, where do they think the mponey must come from to uphold the parks, etc. in the Marina Da Gama ? If they don’t take the trouble to attend AGNM’s or fill in a proxy form,then in my mind they do not deserv eto be heard at all !Nov 26, 8:24 AM — Concerned Resident
  436. An Avid Supporter of the ObjectorsIf I see what the executive committee have said about the objectors, I cannot see why the chairman would or even could be upset if people lash out. Quite frankly, I think the objectors have been pretty nice to the chairman, given the personal abuse they have suffered.An Avid Supporter of the ObjectorsNov 24, 1:32 PM — Headless Chickens
  437. SAMI would not mind taking the title-deed condition off my title deed. I am so glad that I am not the only one who is fed up with the arrogance of this association. They think they can do what they want. Thank you.SAMNov 24, 1:21 PM — Marina Da Gama Newsletter Nov. 2007
  438. PIQA very interesting site which gives information on the ‘other side’ of the saga. At the laste AGM of Park Island Quay Body Corporate (107 homeowners), the members voted to see to our own security measures and await the outcome of the Marina’s issues. After that, we will re-evaluate the position. One small bit of information - the electric fence shown on your page is privately owned and maintained by PIQ Body Corp. It was installed about 10 years ago by Marine Patrol (Roy).Nov 24, 2:59 AM — Security Scheme
  439. good for yougood for you said,
    in October 9th, 2007
    In regards to the Davidd comment that he leaves the suburb if this website becomes a official web page. I myself hope you will be leaving soon. To the owner of this website you have my support for sure. To the association hopefully your days are numbered. Now at least there is fair comment and feedback without censorship. Well done to who ever you are.Oct 10, 7:34 AM — Security Scheme
  440. Jordaanljordaanl said,
    in October 9th, 2007
    We have reached a sad day in Mariana da Gama. If we can be tollerant, agree that we disagree. Is it about scoring points? If I may propose with all given , can we constructively engaged, and try to resolve these issues, in the best interest of all residents, in the Marina. The pulling down sindrome is not healthy. I am prepared to engaged in this process.Oct 10, 7:33 AM — Security Scheme
  441. resident replyfrom resident said,
    in October 9th, 2007
    I am incensed by the association’s high handed attack on property rights and the rights of homeowners within the Marina to self determination in respect of security issues and their attempt to in effect form a “body corporate” structure that would lead to a de facto lien against every property in the Marina. So if you require more from me simply let me know.Oct 10, 7:32 AM — Security Scheme
  442. admincomment from Marina da gama Association to me
    Your quote about the Standards Inspector. I don’t see it - do you?… where?Give me your name and I will give you the address of a good optometrist.Jan De Groote
    Standards InspectorTo Jan Da Groote pity I have to add you comment for all to read as you dont have the balls to register yourself.Please show all those interested in knowing what you actually do, which is of value to the residents.Oct 10, 7:30 AM — Security Scheme
  443. adminJust for Davidd
    The electric fence fence advert has being removed just for your benefit.If you looked closer you might have seen it was a paid advert. Da gama as a email is in use already, and thus Da Gamma with two “m” s. How strange that a apparent spelling mistake is such a issue yet no constructive feed back on the shocking affairs of the Marina association by yourself.Oct 8, 7:29 AM — Security Scheme
  444. DaviddOh please! Do me a favour - when you can put your argument in coherent speech that is actually understandable and you’re not just looking for a cheap way to promote your Electric Fencing company, then, maybe, your comments will have some credibility. Until then, give us all a break. Oh, and it’s da Gama, not da Gamma. The day this becomes the official Marina website is the day I move to another suburb.Oct 7, 7:26 AM — Security Scheme